Eddie Cummings interview (very interesting read)

[Drew Foster]

Wow, that toes in the biceps thing is nasty. I'm already cringing in pain…

Almost reminds me of an Estima lock. Using a part of your body to sheer the foot like that?

I will to try this toes on the biceps thing tonight, very carefully.

 

[selfcritical]

I thiiiiink Reilly does something similar in terms of folding the ankle during the heel hook. I need to rewatch his most recent stuff.

 

[EGDM]

So I looked into this a while ago because I thought it was nonsensical... and it is nonsensical (as you've pointed out there is not knee pressure here).

However! If you look on page 26 of the rules:

http://ibjjf.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/20140507_RuleBookIBJJF_v3.pdf

and look at the picture in the second row, on the left, you will see a picture that similarly shouldn't be a reap, but is considered reaping (and is ibjjf illegal).

It looks like (according to the rules), you don't even need to triangle your legs. If you backstep, and then stick your thigh under the hamstring then you could be called for reaping. There is a bit of wiggle room in the rules (they first say you need the foot trapped by your arm, but then in the next paragraph they say immobilized doesn't necessarily just mean trapped by your arm), but I could easily seem them calling that... and as soon as you attack any feet, they definitely will!

That's not correct, otherwise essentially every kneebar finish would be reaping. Or am i misunderstanding your position?

My understanding is that IBJJF rules disallow passing your foot across the front of your opponent's body, from the outside, if your body also passes underneath their legs. Some configurations that meet these criteria probably don't apply reaping pressure, like the one you point out.

Reverse half guard, no matter what you're doing with your feet, doesn't qualify as reaping because your legs "start" on the front side of your opponent's body.

 

[nrs02004]

That's not correct, otherwise essentially every kneebar finish would be reaping. Or am i misunderstanding your position?

My understanding is that IBJJF rules disallow passing your foot across the front of your opponent's body, from the outside, if your body also passes underneath their legs. Some configurations that meet these criteria probably don't apply reaping pressure, like the one you point out.

Reverse half guard, no matter what you're doing with your feet, doesn't qualify as reaping because your legs "start" on the front side of your opponent's body.

In the kneebar, you don't have your other thigh under the hamstring (because you have rotated out).

In looking at the rules (on page 26), it doesn't look like it matters whether you start with your legs there, and pass your body back, or start with your body back and then pass the leg over. It just matters which position you end up in.

 

[SBJ]

 

[RTD1]

This is a very suburban thread.

 

[sha]

Morcegao(A BB from London) showed that leg placement from standing.He had a youtube video on it,but it seems to be down now.

I spent like 10 minutes looking for that Morcegao vid! (5 of which were trying to remember his name's correct spelling

 

[JustTheTip]

I spent like 10 minutes looking for that Morcegao vid! (5 of which were trying to remember his name's correct spelling

 

[Uchi Mata]

This is a very suburban thread.

I was thinking just this morning that 'suburban technique' would be a good name for a no-gi focused BJJ brand.

 

[TheGZA]

I was thinking just this morning that 'suburban technique' would be a good name for a no-gi focused BJJ brand.

Also, a good name for a band.

 

[dmwalking]

I was thinking just this morning that 'suburban technique' would be a good name for a no-gi focused BJJ brand.

What does this mean? What is suburban technique?

 

[Steve08]

Also, a good name for a band.

Stealing your idea.

 

[Uchi Mata]

What does this mean? What is suburban technique?

When Oswaldo Fadda challenged the Gracies in 1954 he brought a bunch of poor students from outside the city, and they whipped the shit out of the Gracies mostly with leg locks (Fadda's guys won 19 of 20 matches). The Gracies looked down on leg locks and referred to them as 'suburban technique' which in this context basically means 'poor people technique'. Showing once again the degree to which parts of the Gracie family were/are elitist ass hats. I don't know if this is true but I have heard that the reaping ban at the original Humaita school was a direct result of this match, trying to make leg locks less effective.

 

[loyalyolayal]

When Oswaldo Fadda challenged the Gracies in 1954 he brought a bunch of poor students from outside the city, and they whipped the shit out of the Gracies mostly with leg locks (Fadda's guys won 19 of 20 matches). The Gracies looked down on leg locks and referred to them as 'suburban technique' which in this context basically means 'poor people technique'. Showing once again the degree to which parts of the Gracie family were/are elitist ass hats. I don't know if this is true but I have heard that the reaping ban at the original Humaita school was a direct result of this match, trying to make leg locks less effective.

When was the no-reaping implemented? Royler had a great run in ADCC.. I thought it was the IBJJF(Barra) who decided it.

 

[Uchi Mata]

When was the no-reaping implemented? Royler had a great run in ADCC.. I thought it was the IBJJF(Barra) who decided it.

Could be. I don't know the whole story on reaping. But the Fadda students beating the Gracies with leg locks and the Gracies' derision is well documented.

 

[loyalyolayal]

Could be. I don't know the whole story on reaping. But the Fadda students beating the Gracies with leg locks and the Gracies' derision is well documented.

<<< franca lineage

 

[Uchi Mata]

<<< franca lineage

Rodolfo approves.

 

[dmwalking]

When Oswaldo Fadda challenged the Gracies in 1954 he brought a bunch of poor students from outside the city, and they whipped the shit out of the Gracies mostly with leg locks (Fadda's guys won 19 of 20 matches). The Gracies looked down on leg locks and referred to them as 'suburban technique' which in this context basically means 'poor people technique'. Showing once again the degree to which parts of the Gracie family were/are elitist ass hats. I don't know if this is true but I have heard that the reaping ban at the original Humaita school was a direct result of this match, trying to make leg locks less effective.

haha. Swag. I def wanna call my style suburban jiu jitsu.

 

[Uchi Mata]

haha. Swag. I def wanna call my style suburban jiu jitsu.

I'm with Eddie on leg locks being the path of least resistance. I don't consider myself a specialist in them, but good guys are so good at defending their upper body and often so bad at defending their lower that I end up hitting a ton of leg locks in training. I've been finishing more from Top Rock than anywhere else lately, it's just such a strong attacking platform. I'm not sure why the Gracies ever hated them.

 

[dmwalking]

It makes sense. When doing leg locks, you have pretty much your whole body vs just their leg. And the best attacks tend to attack the weaker points of the leg. The leg that's not being attacked is not as dextrous as arms. And arms don't come alone. They come with back muscles and a gripping mechanism. LOL. Attacking the neck you have to deal with two arms and back muscles.

Muscle group vs muscle group, leg locks are definitely the easiest route. I don't blame him for spamming them.