Dutch style Muay Thai/Kickboxing school in London

[laser]

Anyone got any recommendations for a Dutch style Muay Thai/Kickboxing school in London?

 

[boneclutcher]

It's about teaching methods, style and training partners.

Emphasis on alot of combos, low kicks, and parrying middle/high kicks instead of blocking them with forearms. (You can see the change in Rashad in particular in the Phil Davis fight from blocking with forearms in the past to parrying kicks away after training with Dutch Tyrone Sponge) Spinning back kicks/ fists etc.

Then the teaching methods (Japanese style) and hard sparring which are staples of Dutch/Japanese/European Boxing. And the Ichigeki concept (one punch/kick KO power philosophy)

If someone from France or Germany or England trained Dutch Kickboxing and lived in Holland and brought that back then that would be retained and spread in those countries. But that's what they would have to do. If someone trained in Muay Thai or went to Thailand they would be training in Mauy Thai and bringing that back. (Bisping is an example of this. Not saying he's a great example but his education is in Muay Thai not Dutch Kickboxing).

Overall the striking level in Europe is alot higher than in America but I think in Europe there is a split between those who learn Muay Thai and those who learn Dutch Kickboxing. Neither one is really wrong or right or better. They are just different styles. If you try both you will see that.

Honestly though alot of times it comes down to quality of training partners/sparring partners/teachers one's own size. So if one were a bigger guy they would be better off going to Holland and learning Dutch Kickboxing. If they are smaller than go to Thailand and learn Muay Thai. I just don't think it makes much sense or is very efficient for a big guy to go down to Thailand because the native thai sparring partners/trainers are not that big so you would get less out of it then training with elite level training partners/teachers of your own size in Holland.

agreed 100 %

 

[Vincent86]

People are really really reading too much into this ''Dutch'' style

 

[Bimbo]

People are really really reading too much into this ''Dutch'' style

Because the Dutch people took everything in all kickbox style competitions all over the world?

Yeah, not sure why people believe the Dutch are the best.

 

[Vincent86]

Because the Dutch people took everything in all kickbox style competitions all over the world?

Yeah, not sure why people believe the Dutch are the best.

Believe what you want to believe, there is no magical Dutch style. We don't train better, all the other guys train worse.

 

[Bimbo]

Believe what you want to believe, there is no magical Dutch style. We don't train better, all the other guys train worse.

I see, you're trying to be modest :wink:

Well it's not really you who made the Dutch so good.
It's probably a much older generation. Think Ramon Dekkers area. Not sure, don't know that much about the history of Golden Glory.

 

[NAKMUAY18]

By "Dutch" Style I take it you just mean Muay Thai with a bit more foot work and alot less clinch. Try most MMA gym.

 

[Muay o Muay]

Lots of english style mt gyms in london , try ko gym, funnily enough one of there f ighters just ko'd a dutch guy from mikes gym 1st round k1 rules!!

 

[DaGenius]

Dutch is kickboxing..NOT muay thai. Just representing for truth out here

 

[Jukai]

See, I may have a misconception on what dutch kickboxing is

 

[Vincent86]

Dutch is kickboxing..NOT muay thai. Just representing for truth out here

Most of the guys train for matches under kickboxing rules but now and then we have some muay thai rules matches, we train elbows fairly regularly

 

[laser]

By "Dutch" Style I take it you just mean Muay Thai with a bit more foot work and alot less clinch. Try most MMA gym.

Yes. Looking for somewhere to train that's more focused on hand combos, footwork, feints, etc. Less clinch focused. I know the best London based MMA gym is probably London Shoot fighters, but I'm open to suggestions for others, or other purely kickboxing focused schools.

 

[Muay o Muay]

^ sounds like a regular boxing gym that your describing there !?

again ko gym or diesel gym.

 

[Manchester Man]

KO gym has some excellent fighters and really cool guys. Sounds to me you want kickboxing rather than Muay Thai. A Muay Thai gym that doesn't have a big focus on the clinch isn't a very good Muay Thai gym.

MMA wise London shoot is probably the best but I hear good things about London Fight Factory.

 

[BruceLeeMMA]

See, I may have a misconception on what dutch kickboxing is

 

[Vincent86]

Yes you have a misconception.

It is it's own style. It came from Japanese Kickboxing which came from European/Western Boxing and Kyokushin Karate.

BJJ came from Japanese Judo/Fusen Ryu Japanese Ju Jutsu but it would be foolish to claim that BJJ is just another style of Japanese Judo/Ju Jutsu.

Maybe it was a specific style when the current kickboxing rules were only applied in Holland, since those rules are basically the format for kickboxing all over Europe, I doubt peope in France or Engand or Germany train very different then the Dutch

 

[BruceLeeMMA]

Maybe it was a specific style when the current kickboxing rules were only applied in Holland, since those rules are basically the format for kickboxing all over Europe, I doubt peope in France or Engand or Germany train very different then the Dutch

It's about teaching methods, style and training partners.

Emphasis on alot of combos, low kicks, and parrying middle/high kicks instead of blocking them with forearms. (You can see the change in Rashad in particular in the Phil Davis fight from blocking with forearms in the past to parrying kicks away after training with Dutch Tyrone Sponge) Spinning back kicks/ fists etc.

Then the teaching methods (Japanese style) and hard sparring which are staples of Dutch/Japanese/European Boxing. And the Ichigeki concept (one punch/kick KO power philosophy)

If someone from France or Germany or England trained Dutch Kickboxing and lived in Holland and brought that back then that would be retained and spread in those countries. But that's what they would have to do. If someone trained in Muay Thai or went to Thailand they would be training in Mauy Thai and bringing that back. (Bisping is an example of this. Not saying he's a great example but his education is in Muay Thai not Dutch Kickboxing).

Overall the striking level in Europe is alot higher than in America but I think in Europe there is a split between those who learn Muay Thai and those who learn Dutch Kickboxing. Neither one is really wrong or right or better. They are just different styles. If you try both you will see that.

Honestly though alot of times it comes down to quality of training partners/sparring partners/teachers one's own size. So if one were a bigger guy they would be better off going to Holland and learning Dutch Kickboxing. If they are smaller than go to Thailand and learn Muay Thai. I just don't think it makes much sense or is very efficient for a big guy to go down to Thailand because the native thai sparring partners/trainers are not that big so you would get less out of it then training with elite level training partners/teachers of your own size in Holland.

 

[Muay o Muay]

Your fooling your self if you don't think the dutch gyms are heavily thai influenced and I can't say ive heard of a gym advertising ' dutch style' kickboxing in the uk!

 

[BruceLeeMMA]

Your fooling your self if you don't think the dutch gyms are heavily thai influenced and I can't say ive heard of a gym advertising ' dutch style' kickboxing in the uk!

You're fooling yourself if you think they are the same thing.

Of course all styles borrow and imitate from other styles (Thais using Western Boxing techniques, etc to work on hands or preparing to go into boxing.) but that is not the same thing.

One wouldn't say that Judo/Fusen Ryu Ju Jitsu is the same thing as BJJ.

 

[Muay o Muay]

There's already a thread discussing the dutch style so we don't need to turn this into one.

I am not saying they are the same thing.

The op wants a gym that teaches the dutch style in london, im saying that the closest he will get is a thai boxing gym as if you go to a ' kickboxing' gym in the uk you will be learning something miles from the dutch style whereas if he goes to a thaiboxing gym it will be a lot closer, bear in mind, like in holland and much of europe many ' thai boxing gyms' have a lot more focus on hands as european fighters due to western boxing have a preference for hands.

Really we need to know why the op wants to learn this style and what format they are looking to compete under but the gyms I mentioned
will give him a solid stand up foundation evidenced by recent wins over fighters from mikes gym in holland under both k1 & thai rules.

 

[WALKERmma]

Muay Thai is not dutch kickboxing its muay thai