Dutch kickboxing stylist in MMA?

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  1. Ogata

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    I am wondering who in the UFC uses dutch kickboxing in the UFC?


    I know Overeem uses Dutch kickboxing and Amir has trained in Dutch kickboxing as well but I don't know anyone else who uses Dutch style...
     
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    Overeem doesn't fight like a dutch kickboxer though.

    Jose Aldo is prolly the closest in the UFC now.
     
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    He used to. He has changed his game a lot since coming back to the UFC. When he fought in pure kickboxing, he fought a lot like a Dutch styled kickboxer, but in the UFC he had to change a lot of his game because he can't use those larger gloves to protect himself and has to use movement more than he ever did before.

    Look at how Reem used to step with his knees earlier when he became "The Reem," he didn't use movement as much as he does now, used to really step with his knees, the way he would throw kicks, etc - today, he uses a lot more movement and doesn't do the step with his knees as much anymore. He changed a lot. His days in K1, he looked a lot like a Dutch styled kickboxer. In the UFC, he had to change a lot because he was getting KTFO. The way he fought Roy Nelson, we've never really seen Overeem fight like that before, IMO. That was a whole different Overeem.

    I agree. He's basically the best example right now.
     
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    Blackzillian striking coach is dutch and he often said that he got called to teach the ducth kickboxing style in order to increase the ko chance of the fighters.. and he did it brilliantly

    Felder in his last fight against Barboza looks like dutch style
     
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    Joanna Jędrzejczyk - trained years under kickboxing legend Ernesto Hoost
    Jose Aldo - is trained by Alex da Silva who runs Mike's Gym Brazil, which is based on Mike's Gym Amsterdam his system.
    Junior Dos Santos - is also trained by Alex da Silva
    Renan Barao - also trained by Alex da Silva.
    Anthony Johnson - trained by Dutch kickboxing coach Henri Hooft
    Vitor Belfort - also trained by Henri Hooft.
     
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    The lighter Brazilian fighter is the best at it out of anyone, Dutch style

    And, of course what Joanna Champion does a bit MT,Boxing,Dutch KB
     
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    Im not sure if I would agree with the fact that he fought like a dutch stylist in K1. The "dutch style" (Not every gym here has the same style of fighting obviously, just compare kickboxers trained by Passenier to kickboxers trained by Carbin for example) generally focuses on multiple punches into kick combinations. Think of Manhoef's favorite combo, overhand right, left hook, thunderous right lowkick.

    Alistair's style in K-1 was much more focused on single shots. Like a single overhand, a single knee etc. He would pretty much stalk his opponent, throw a single strike, until he was close enough to unleash, THE UBERKNEEE!!!!
     
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    I could name a couple of retired fighters or people not in the UFC.
     
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    Badr Hari is another good example, of course. Lots of powerful punches and a good kick here and there - he usually just swarms his opponent with punches and once they're at the ropes just knees their head in. Of course, him and Manhoef train together at Mike's Gym, don't they?

    With Overeem, he's really just a more sniper kind of style, or just brute strength, of course. He was good at opening his opponent's guard up and landing, especially with the UBERKNEE!!!!! but he did throw some punches to the head and do the low kick or body kick, which is a pretty basic thing to do - make your opponent pay attention to your hands and then land the low kick (Cerrone is fucking amazing at it, disguising his kicks with his hands, same with Aldo and Barboza).

    Overeem would mostly just pick his shots instead of just swarming with heavy shots unless he hurt them. His counters were especially good in K1, the way he landed the overhand to counter his opponent's jab (I forget the guy's name) was awesome, although that's a basic counter, his timing was perfect. That's Overeem, just picks his shots very intelligently, unlike some who will do what Manhoef does, like you said, right, left, brutal kick.
     
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    someone name the newer young brazilian kid....he went to Holland for 2-3 yrs, his technique is sick
     
  11. Ogata

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    Whats his weightclass?
     
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    Thomas Almeida?
     
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    PreBigfootReem used them Dutch Kickboxing but after that loss, I don't know what he has become, some pussified point fighter.
     
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    Thomas Almeida?
     
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    such pointfighting
     
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    Aldo, cross-hook-low kick, that's as dutch as it gets. The Thais are more clinch and kick heavy while the dutch style is boxing combinations with kicks at the end. I don't see too many Thai style guys.
     
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    These two GIFs of Jason Wilnis are a good example of the dutch combo.
    Plus a gif of Karaev getting KTFOd by Manhoef's dutch combo.

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    Germaine de Randamie?
     
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    Jose Aldo and maybe J-Champ are the closest thing you get in the UFC to what is considered the traditional dutch style. Neither Overeem nor Mousasi have ever fit that mold.
     
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    Thread pretty much closed.

    Overeem and Moose tend to attempt to switch styles based on opponent.

    Joanna is better at that and definitely so mid-combo and fight IMO.

    Aldo is lovely to watch as well as the numerous up and comers.

    I love the "Dutch" emphasis, but I'd prefer some Jitz phenoms to get into MMA and get some Muay Thai coaches and utilize the classic approach while taking the MMA world by storm.
     

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