Ducking USADA test only 6 month suspension?

[trilla]

Looks like Yair found a loophole, seems all you have to do is be "unavailable" when USADA comes knocking and all you get is a wrist slap and 6month vacation. Wtf?

 

[Bubzeh]

Bet Jon Jones is feeling stupid as fuck right now.

 

[gevoudane]

You still get tested. Basically he got banned for being lazy and not following guidelines.

 

[kimocomplex]

thats only strike 1, a year suspension if he does it again?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Whats the point. Its not like they are not going to test him for those 6 months. They are probably going to test him randomly the entire 6 months and if he test positive while under suspension i think its an automatic 2 years, or ban.

Unless you're Jon Jones, then its just pulsing and Is normal.

 

[acannxr]

You still get tested. Basically he got banned for being lazy and not following guidelines.

From Oct 2017 to Aug 2018, Jones wasn't tested at all by USADA.

thats only strike 1, a year suspension if he does it again?

The real loophole is doing cycles of PEDs until you get two missed tests, then wait for the first one to expire; they'll only get in trouble if they miss three consecutive tests.

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[Prince Nephilim]

Bet Jon Jones is feeling stupid as fuck right now.

Well aren’t you feeling stupid, he already hid under a cage successfully

 

[kflo]

From Oct 2017 to Aug 2018, Jones wasn't tested at all by USADA.

He had no idea he wouldn’t be tested.

The real loophole is doing cycles of PEDs until you get two missed tests, then wait for the first one to expire; they'll only get in trouble if they miss three consecutive tests.

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It’s not 3 consecutive tests. It’s a rolling 12 month period.

 

[stereolab]

I don't know why the UFC even bothers with PED testing. Either you don't test for anything, or you give actual strict standards that catches people. Otherwise it's just to please people who don't know anything about MMA.

 

[kflo]

I don't know why the UFC even bothers with PED testing. Either you don't test for anything, or you give actual strict standards that catches people. Otherwise it's just to please people who don't know anything about MMA.

They have among the strictest testing in sports though....

 

[Sweater of AV]

USADA and the UFC are a corrupt mess.

 

[stereolab]

They have among the strictest testing in sports though....

You get to dodge tests twice a year with no punishment, can inject testoterone as long as your epi to test ratio is below 4 to 1, the standards don't apply equally (look at the Jon Jones saga). My point is, why even pretend to drug test? They don't give a shit about fighter safety if they let people who popped before the fight still compete. Just stop pretending at that point.

 

[kflo]

You get to dodge tests twice a year with no punishment, can inject testoterone as long as your epi to test ratio is below 4 to 1, the standards don't apply equally (look at the Jon Jones saga). My point is, why even pretend to drug test? They don't give a shit about fighter safety if they let people who popped before the fight still compete. Just stop pretending at that point.

You’re wrong on testosterone. They do random and targeted CIR testing that catches exogenous testosterone. You can’t just inject test.

Standards are applied equally (everyone since jones (and dawson) gets the same standards, and no one has ever been suspended for m3 twice).

You’re not making sense. They let people who popped fight again because they serve their suspensions. Not sure what you want.

The whereabouts policy is as follows:

An athlete could receive a Whereabouts Failure in any of four ways:

• Failure to submit a completed Whereabouts Filing by the deadline;
• Failure to promptly update Whereabouts information;
• Failure to provide accurate or sufficient information; or
• Failure to be located for testing

Any combination of three Whereabouts Failures within a rolling 12-month period = Anti-Doping Policy Violation.​

You seem to want a strict police state where any mistake is an automatic lifetime ban. It’s not realistic and again, it’s stricter than most sports.

 

[kekiss]

if someone can find loopholes in system about drug testing and pass it, all respect, but if you fuck up and get caught take it like a man, not make stupid excuses about tainted supplements, meat, and picograms lol, People hate TJ for admitting juicing, but at least he was honest about it.

 

[kflo]

if someone can find loopholes in system about drug testing and pass it, all respect, but if you fuck up and get caught take it like a man, not make stupid excuses about tainted supplements, meat, and picograms lol, People hate of TJ for admitting juicing, but at least he was honest about it.

Epo isn’t something you can really concoct an excuse for. He didn’t have any real good alternative options.

 

[kekiss]

Epo isn’t something you can really concoct an excuse for. He didn’t have any real good alternative options.

Yeah, agree about that, Lance had good way to pass it, but that was ages ago

 

[Sweater of AV]

You get to dodge tests twice a year with no punishment, can inject testoterone as long as your epi to test ratio is below 4 to 1, the standards don't apply equally (look at the Jon Jones saga). My point is, why even pretend to drug test? They don't give a shit about fighter safety if they let people who popped before the fight still compete. Just stop pretending at that point.

The UFC "working with" USADA to help give Jones a free pass is comical. The whole thing is a sham. They will let people get away with anything if enough money is on the table.

 

[kflo]

The UFC "working with" USADA to help give Jones a free pass is comical. The whole thing is a sham. They will let people get away with anything if enough money is on the table.

No one has ever gotten “away” with anything without support for the decision. You just don’t like the decisions. It’s not like the jones case didn’t ultimately play out in full public view. They’ve suspended some of their biggest stars. That wasn’t good for business. But they can’t just make it go away whenever they want to.

 

[Sweater of AV]

No one has ever gotten “away” with anything without support for the decision. You just don’t like the decisions. It’s not like the jones case didn’t ultimately play out in full public view. They’ve suspended some of their biggest stars. That wasn’t good for business. But they can’t just make it go away whenever they want to.

Of course they can my little shill, and they did. Picto was given a free pass. Money rules the day, you'll learn in time.

 

[stereolab]

You’re wrong on testosterone. They do random and targeted CIR testing that catches exogenous testosterone. You can’t just inject test.

Standards are applied equally (everyone since jones (and dawson) gets the same standards, and no one has ever been suspended for m3 twice).

You’re not making sense. They let people who popped fight again because they serve their suspensions. Not sure what you want.

The whereabouts policy is as follows:

An athlete could receive a Whereabouts Failure in any of four ways:

• Failure to submit a completed Whereabouts Filing by the deadline;
• Failure to promptly update Whereabouts information;
• Failure to provide accurate or sufficient information; or
• Failure to be located for testing

Any combination of three Whereabouts Failures within a rolling 12-month period = Anti-Doping Policy Violation.​

You seem to want a strict police state where any mistake is an automatic lifetime ban. It’s not realistic and again, it’s stricter than most sports.

My bad, phrased that badly.

What I mean by people fighting again when they popped before a fight would be like the Brock vs Hunt fight, or Silva vs. Diaz, where both tested positive for steroids before the fight. They knew the results, and still let them compete. If this was about fighter safety, they would have cancelled the fight and suspended them.
https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id...ana-white-brock-lesnar-relation-ufc-200-fight

You got me on the test comment, I fucked that one up. My point on the rules being equally applied still stands.

Tom Lawlor had 17 picograms of ostarine in his system, two year suspension. Testing on Jon found this-

And he was still allowed to compete. Note the "there is no scientific or medical evidence that the athlete would have an unfair advantage...". Why is 17 picograms enough to suspend someone without a name, but is fine for Jon? Plus his other suspension was reduced for ratting out names to USADA. If you don't mean money to the UFC, you don't get the same luxuries in drug testing. Keep in mind Jon also had the luxury of moving the whole card to a state that was fine with sactioning him to fight after his first positive test.
https://www.ocregister.com/2019/02/...icograms-again-why-it-does-and-doesnt-matter/