Drug Testing In UFC Compared To Other Promotions

[Blackjack]

Why is the UFC so obsessed with drug testing whereas Japanese promotions allow so much more freedom to their fighters as to what they want to put in their bodies? For a country that prides itself as being named upon freedom, I can't think of a promotion in any other country that allows their fighters less freedom to choose what supplements they want to take. Is the more tolerant attitude of the Japanese promotions towards allowing fighters to benefit from medical science primarily a manifestation of their cultural values or something else? Time has shown that trying to control people as opposed to allowing them freedom to do what they want with their own bodies never works. Is this just one more sign that our country no longer places the same value on freedom that our founding fathers did?

 

[Azure]

Because the UFC is trying to become mainstream and legit

 

[Kyler Ruxin]

American fans talk a lot more about wanting fair competition and all that, Japanese fans love watching freak shows. Fucking Bob Sapp was signed to like 300+ endorsements at one time. These companies, like all companies, are simply trying to do what they think their consumer wants the most.

 

[Blackjack]

Because the UFC is trying to become mainstream and legit

That has nothing to do with it. There isn't anyone who watches UFC based upon their drug testing policies. As for their current drug testing policies, if they were trying to put themselves out of business they couldn't have chosen a better way to do it. I find it hypocritical that in the land of freedom, fighters have less freedom than anywhere else in their world regarding what they choose to do with their own bodies. Remember PRIDE eclipsed UFC in popularity before and they did it with no drug testing at all. Having an intolerant attitude towards which supplements a fighter can take and preventing them from simply using modern medical technology has never had a direct correlation to mainstream popularity in the past. PRIDE in Japan at their peak was more mainstream in Japan than The UFC has ever been in the USA.

 

[Blackjack]

American fans talk a lot more about wanting fair competition and all that, Japanese fans love watching freak shows. Fucking Bob Sapp was signed to like 300+ endorsements at one time. These companies, like all companies, are simply trying to do what they think their consumer wants the most.

What the consumer wants is exciting fights between fighters they are interested in watching. In a country founded upon freedom, these Gestapo type tactics that USADA uses are about as un-American as it gets. They don;t even need a warrant to come into a fighter's residence and demand that a fighter prove himself innocent. The problem with that is not only are those Gestapo like tactics frowned upon by Americans, but our country is based upon citizens being treated as being innocent until proven guilty. It has never been the American way to demand a person prove he is innocent when there is no evidence he has committed a crime.

 

[Limbo Pete]

That has nothing to do with it.

Cleaning up the image of the sport and legitimizing it was important for legalizing it in every state

 

[dickcheney]

Because of josh gross

 

[Thepaintbucket]

I think it says a lot when the owners of the UFC and Dana White are on Peds.

The UFC screwed up when they decided to do strict testing. It's not good for the sport, the fighters or the fans in the long run.

It's kind of sad that every other main steam sport athlete is on something.

 

[Pliny Pete]

There is going to be a lot of lawsuits and public backlash connected to CTE(concussions)in the future and the UFC is trying to do everything it can to protect itself as much as possible
The NFL already sees exactly whats coming in the next 20 years and thats why they are beginning to change the game of football to be less violent
Its small rule changes every year because they cant drastically change it all at once but the NFL will look a lot different in the future
The UFC obviously cant regulate violence out of their sport the way the NFL is trying to do so theyre doing what they can to make it safer which will hopefully lead to less long term brain injuries

 

[Paradigm]

Cleaning up the image of the sport and legitimizing it was important for legalizing it in every state

What? Pretty sure NY was the only state that still had MMA illegal by the time USADA was brought in and it was mainly because of Sheldon Silver, who went to jail on corruption charges. Once he was gone, NY legalized MMA.

 

[Blackjack]

Cleaning up the image of the sport and legitimizing it was important for legalizing it in every state

If that's true, then who did PRIDE become legal in Japan? Are you implying that Japan has become more of a free country than The USA? Our Founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves as well as every veteran who fought Japan in WWII.

BTW, there is nothing "dirty" or Illegitimate" about simply using modern medical technology to be the best athlete you can be. Our country was founded upon principles such as tolerance. I don't see any tolerance for fighters who may have differing opinions about what they want to do with their own bodies. Most people don't like to be told what they can do with their own bodies as far as using modern medical technology.

 

[basementdweller]

didn't read but I think the UFC is probably more legit than every other sport right now when it comes to drug testing. it doesn't mean much cause drug testing in sports is super corrupt, but what we have going on is the best we can probably. anyway I like it.

 

[Cooliox]

cause yakuza runs businesses to the ground in favor of quick cash-grabs... whereas zuffa took a 2million dollar investment and turned it into 4billion dollars.

 

[blaseblah]

There is going to be a lot of lawsuits and public backlash connected to CTE(concussions)in the future and the UFC is trying to do everything it can to protect itself as much as possible
The NFL already sees exactly whats coming in the next 20 years and thats why they are beginning to change the game of football to be less violent
Its small rule changes every year because they cant drastically change it all at once but the NFL will look a lot different in the future
The UFC obviously cant regulate violence out of their sport the way the NFL is trying to do so theyre doing what they can to make it safer which will hopefully lead to less long term brain injuries

What do steroids have to do with brain injury?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Why is the UFC so obsessed with drug testing whereas Japanese promotions allow so much more freedom to their fighters as to what they want to put in their bodies? For a country that prides itself as being named upon freedom, I can't think of a promotion in any other country that allows their fighters less freedom to choose what supplements they want to take. Is the more tolerant attitude of the Japanese promotions towards allowing fighters to benefit from medical science primarily a manifestation of their cultural values or something else? Time has shown that trying to control people as opposed to allowing them freedom to do what they want with their own bodies never works. Is this just one more sign that our country no longer places the same value on freedom that our founding fathers did?

The Japanese seem to value human life less. Case in point, Sakuraba. Even Aoki thinks it's fucked up they still let him fight.

 

[Blackjack]

I think it says a lot when the owners of the UFC and Dana White are on Peds.

The UFC screwed up when they decided to do strict testing. It's not good for the sport, the fighters or the fans in the long run.

It's kind of sad that every other main steam sport athlete is on something.

Yes, it's as if they'e trying to put themselves out of business. The NFL and NBA did a much better job of becoming mainstream and legitimate than The UFC ever has and they did it without using Gestapo type tactics such as showing up at a fighter's home unannounced with no search warrant demanding the fighter provide evidence to prove his innocence. That goes against every principle of freedom and individual rights The USA was founded upon.

 

[Based God]

I think it says a lot when the owners of the UFC and Dana White are on Peds.

the William Morris Endeavor is on PEDs?

 

[Blackjack]

The Japanese seem to value human life less. Case in point, Sakuraba. Even Aoki thinks it's fucked up they still let him fight.

Perhaps they just value free will more. They let Sakuraba live his life in the way he wants. That is the embodiment of respect for free will. Without free will there is no freedom!

 

[Limbo Pete]

If that's true, then who did PRIDE become legal in Japan? Are you implying that Japan has become more of a free country than The USA? Our Founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves as well as every veteran who fought Japan in WWII.

BTW, there is nothing "dirty" or Illegitimate" about simply using modern medical technology to be the best athlete you can be. Our country was founded upon principles such as tolerance. I don't see any tolerance for fighters who may have differing opinions about what they want to do with their own bodies. Most people don't like to be told what they can do with their own bodies as far as using modern medical technology.

Lmao don't blow a gasket
That whole "human cockfighting" stigma was, believe it or not, something that had to be dealt with lol
Drug testing is part of polishing the sports image bruh and you gotta chill

 

[rjmbrd]

What the consumer wants is exciting fights between fighters they are interested in watching. In a country founded upon freedom, these Gestapo type tactics that USADA uses are about as un-American as it gets. They don;t even need a warrant to come into a fighter's residence and demand that a fighter prove himself innocent. The problem with that is not only are those Gestapo like tactics frowned upon by Americans, but our country is based upon citizens being treated as being innocent until proven guilty. It has never been the American way to demand a person prove he is innocent when there is no evidence he has committed a crime.

Sorry but this is a crazy overreaction.

USADA doesn't kick in peoples doors - you voluntarily sign up for random drug testing. That is the policy of working at will for the UFC, nobody is forcing them to do it.

If you haven't figured out by the slew of non-stop failures, we need random testing because a lot of people were cheating.

Plenty of guys are clean - and they deserve to enter fair fights. Tibau was blood doping on EPO and frankly I am glad he's gone. Someone who is willing to cheat like that in the course of hurting another human needs to go.

This isn't sprinting or baseball, this is fighting. Guys doping are a problem and USADA so far has been the answer.