Social DR James Cantor, Canadian clinical psychologist and sexologist pushes for Pedophiles rights

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  1. BearGrounds

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    It is entirely geared towards generating sympathy for these people and shifting the blame for child sexual abuse on the populace for out-casting them. That's how they begin with the disarming of the stigmatization.
     
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    Not clicking on the link in the OP, but I highly, highly, highly doubt that he is talking about normalizing pedophiles having sex with children there. His past statements have been about how changing the sexual desires of pedophiles seems to not be successful, so the focus should be on finding ways for these people to come out and get support before they sexually assault children.


    "On CNN, Cantor expressed the opinion that society should make it easier for persons who are sexually attracted to children but have never committed any sexual offenses to receive support and assistance in staying offense free. In his view, it is the sexual offenses (child molestation) and not the sexual attractions (pedophilia) that merit social sanctions. "One cannot choose to not be a pedophile, but one can choose to not be a child molester."[19]

    Cantor has stated that, in his experience, pedophiles who commit sexual offenses against children "do so when they feel the most desperate—when they have nothing to lose, nothing in their lives worth protecting." He recommends that therapists use cognitive behavioral therapy and other techniques to reduce feelings of isolation and hopelessness so that pedophiles can lead "productive, offense-free lives."[20]

    "We can't seem to be able to change [pedophilia]," Cantor said in an interview. "The only logical thing left to us is to help these people lead as productive and healthy a life as possible. For some people, that's life basics: a regular job, a place to live, having a secure life worth protecting and worth obeying the law for... When we make it impossible for them to find a job or a place to live, they have a life that isn't worth protecting."
     
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    Who is normalizing acts of sexual assault against children? Oh yeah...

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    I disagree strongly man. The video is entirely aimed at ensuring that less incidents happen by addressing the one thing we can address directly which is that social isolation of the pedophiles with no one to turn to or talk to about it leads to more incidents.

    If you want less kids to be molested then there MUST be a support system in place for those who recognize the attraction but do not wish to engage in the act.

    Did you even watch the video? There are 16 million of them worldwide man. Pretending it is not there has not helped.
     
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    Not them
     
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    The shrink in the OP doesn't advocate for normalizing acts of sexual assault on children, but Trump and a lot of right wingers don't hold those acts against people if they will further their political and/or religous agenda.
     
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    They put the P in pedo, and in the kids.
     
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    I hear what you're saying. That should be the person's pastor.

    But to the other extreme, if this stuff get normalized in the LGBTQ, And the P or the M gets added to LGBTQ, then these pedos will have "Pride" in their perversion just like the gays and transgenders. And that's not something you want either.
     
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    It has to be family, therapists, friends, society at large educated and understanding of the realities of this situation and a pastor if the person is religious.

    The video posted above is entirely aimed at correcting the central problem (social isolation) that can and must be addressed by people with sufficient maturity and stark realism to take the actions necessary to ensure that less kids are molested.

    From post 115
    "Taking them out of the shadows for treatment is probably the best thing we can do if the goal is to ensure that less kids are molested or raped by them. The degree to which these people are shamed by society and shunned is probably the most important factor in keeping them sick.

    I realize that there is therapy available for them but therapy alone is often not enough. I have often thought that the survival of molestation from generation to generation is possible only because of the wall of shame and secrecy that the whole phenomenon is treated with.

    However any attempt at normalization cannot be tolerated-- not even a little bit. The fact that these mostly men are meeting online in secret chat rooms and bolstering one another and talking about their attraction in seemingly flippant ways is not in any way the solution but it is the likely outcome since they can often find no love or solace with family and friends.

    Families of people with this mental illness probably need to be educated and equipped and receive some kind of formal training on how to navigate being in relationship with a pedophile.

    Most people cannot hold two seeming contraries in their mind and heart at once. They will either be disgusted or compassionate but in the case of pedophilia a person needs to be able to hold both of these at once. A loss of either one would be to lose focus and not be useful to the person anymore.

    Zero tolerance for any thoughts that move towards action, zero tolerance for engaging willingly in thoughts of pedophilia (even when the intention is just fantasizing and no action is intended) combined with acceptance and love for the person willing to heal and change is the only way we will ever eradicate this-- barring some miracle medical procedure."
     
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    What acts and by whom? And do you have proof or is this more Kavanaughing?
     
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    Some good points you made. I don't agree with them all. But:

    I think the disgust factor/shame factor in this sin should be there to a large degree. I don't think it should disappear. Because it is disgusting and it is sick. And that is what sin is. What do you think about that?

    My reason is look at the lgbtq, the shame/disgust factor is gone. Now the lgbtq is in your face with Pride and even gay trans kids on Good Morning America.

    Really though, the only cure for sin is a life in Jesus Christ.
     
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    I support harsher sentencing guidelines, or summarily executing violators, as a better alternative for getting those numbers down and deterring would-be abusers, over any level of societal acceptance.

    If they do not wish to engage in the act, they won't. It's that simple. Social isolation is not to blame for anyone acting on such impulses. Society's ostracizing of this debased sexual orientation is entirely justifiable, and if anything, should be more vigorous in its stigmatization of it than it already is.

    Not to mention therapists and psychiatrists exist, and they can go to one and enjoy complete confidentiality anytime they wish to talk to someone about it. Not being able to discuss it out in the open is not a reasonable excuse for why they're abusing kids.
     
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    Harsher sentencing for those who engage in the act sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

    The rest of your post absolutely ensures more cases of raped or molested children and that is a fact that is not in question.
     
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    RIP one of the many complaints I have about you is that you don't listen. I reposted a post for you before you asked this question-- you just replied to it. In that post is the answer to your question I knew you would ask because I knew you would not have read it. It has now been posted TWICE in this thread, on of them directly to you, and yet you missed it. I find this to be almost a rule when engaging with you.

    Maybe you ought to see this as a sin of omission that you fail to give attention to those you converse with.
     
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    How is that a fact? Strongly stigmatizing and condemning the behavior makes them engage in it? Explain, because I believe that to be an unreasonable shift of the blame for its occurrence.
     
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    Well its in the video YOU posted man. DId you watch the video you posted?
     
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    Yea, and I don't buy that shit.
     
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    You have proven yourself to be so open minded in other threads and very intelligent. You are missing something here because of your anger and it is causing you to see unclearly. I think you could figure out why isolation breeds molestation in about ten minutes otherwise.

    I could think of several scenarios off the top of my head.

    To deal with things that are this evil we must be able to hold disgust and compassion simultaneously IF the goal is to ensure less kids are molested.
     
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    Most people who are isolated play videogames and watch pornography in their mom's basement. They do not molest children. Pedophiles molest children because the wiring in their brain is messed up. You don't tolerate and show compassion towards that level of perversion. You destroy it.
     
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    You are wrong IF what you want is for less kids to be raped or molested. You are right if you want vengeance.
     

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