Double Champs are Frauds

This is why title defenses weigh so heavily.
 
Hendo is the only real double champ (of a major org) in my eyes.

He's fought from MW to HW, and held the pride WW & beat Wand for the MW title in spectacular fashion.

Respect
 
LeBron said:
Going up in weight and winning 1 match doesn’t make you a champion of that division. To be a champ of a division you need to have had multiple fights and work your way up the rankings to a title shot. Or if you move up and win a title fight, you should defend it multiple times to show that you’re actually the best in the division you moved up to.

If the Clemson college football team played the KC Chiefs and won, does it make them the champion of the NFL? No. This new gimmick in MMA is a joke and should have no impact on GOAT status.
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Preach.

1 fight over a carefully picked shouldn't be a shortcut into the GOAT conversation. In some cases it should even mean less than a real title defense.
 
Londonjitsu said:
Nunes isn't a fraud
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Nunes is an exception to this logic because 145 isn't a real UFC division and she got that belt by beating Cyborg. That'd be legacy defining regardless of what belt it was for. Can we say the same about most "superfights". Only male superfight that was challenging for the lighter fighter was DC v Stipe and even that was motivated by Jones's imminent return which made Stipe relatively the easier fight.
 
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Jojomojo said:
its a stupid gimmick i agree. Its obv still an accomplishment, but the UFC pushing so hard for it is stupid imo. Izzy would feel a lot different about moving up, if he had to fight Jiri, Reyes and Santos before facing Jan.
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I think its a lot more legit when the fighter has defended their belt a few times and moves up to fight a dominant champ like DC did against Stipe. Both had three title defenses in shallow divisions so it was an awesome match up.

On the other hand Conor and Alvarez had a whooping zero title defenses between them despite fighting in the deepest divisions in the UFC so IMO that double title win was not as meaningful.
 
LeBron said:
Going up in weight and winning 1 match doesn’t make you a champion of that division. To be a champ of a division you need to have had multiple fights and work your way up the rankings to a title shot. Or if you move up and win a title fight, you should defend it multiple times to show that you’re actually the best in the division you moved up to.

If the Clemson college football team played the KC Chiefs and won, does it make them the champion of the NFL? No. This new gimmick in MMA is a joke and should have no impact on GOAT status.
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I agree being a double champ is a joke if you don't defend the title you won at least 2x. I think Adesanya will defend if he beats Blachowisz.
 
TheMessiah said:
Agree expect you defend the Belt like Cejudo. Not like GSP who ducked everyone after winning it and disappeared
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You mean like how Conor did it? Too scared to defend he got stripped.
 
Yup,

They need to at least defending their both belts a couple of times.

GSP, or Conor should never considered like that. GSP never thinks himself as a legit middleweight champ, but Conor reallly thinks he is the legit LW division champion even after getting schooled by someone like Nate Diaz at catchweight.

Only Daniel Cormier has a legit argument for that since he has 2 title defenses in LHW, and 1 title defense in HW divisions. He actually defended both of his belts after winning it.

And probably Henry Cejudo defended his flyweight and bantamweight belts as well, he has 1 title defenses for both at least iirc.

So; Daniel Cormier and Henry Cejudo have arguments. GSP and Conor does not.
 
Only Nunes is an exception: she regularly defends both belts. GOAT.

Jarl
 
91 seconds said:
Hate it too. I don't mind it if its two champions that have been dominant in cleaning out their divisions. That's what a super fight is and it rarely takes place. It seems the only time the lower weight guy wants to take on the guy in the above weight class is when they believe it's easy pickins.
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I think if these ''super fights'' are really what people wants and if it's really necessary, then it should be at catchweight, it should be between the two weight classes, like GSP wanted to fight with Khabib at 165. Then no one loses their belts, and the odds are fair.

It's everything to lose for the upper weight class champion, and nothing to lose for the lower weight class champion. That fights puts a huge amount of pressure to the upper weight class champion, bigger pressure than defending your belt against a big contender in your division.
- If upper class weight champion loses, he loses his statute as a champion, if lower class weight champion loses, he is still the lower class weight champion.
- If upper class weight champion wins, he is not even cleaning his own division, he just beat a guy from another division, it means a little, if lower class weight champion wins, he gets a new belt and people will call him ''champ champ'' for the rest of his life.

So it's a big motivational fight for the lower class weight champion, and it's the worst fight for the upper class weight champion.

Which is why I believe, it's a very wrong fight to accept if you are the upper weight class champion, accepting a title defense fight would be far better for the upper weight class champion.
 
DC's kind of a weird case because he had decent runs at both LHW and HW, title defenses in both divisions, while never really being the #1 fighter in either division.
 
Willie said:
Completly agree, it has become a marketing gimmick to please the casuals and gain leverage.

What happened to stay in your lane and prove yourself in your division first ?
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BJ and Randy did a million years ago. It’s not new, Conor just made more special. It’s the same in boxing
 
LeBron said:
Going up in weight and winning 1 match doesn’t make you a champion of that division. To be a champ of a division you need to have had multiple fights and work your way up the rankings to a title shot. Or if you move up and win a title fight, you should defend it multiple times to show that you’re actually the best in the division you moved up to.

If the Clemson college football team played the KC Chiefs and won, does it make them the champion of the NFL? No. This new gimmick in MMA is a joke and should have no impact on GOAT status.
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Agreed
 
LeBron said:
Going up in weight and winning 1 match doesn’t make you a champion of that division. To be a champ of a division you need to have had multiple fights and work your way up the rankings to a title shot. Or if you move up and win a title fight, you should defend it multiple times to show that you’re actually the best in the division you moved up to.

If the Clemson college football team played the KC Chiefs and won, does it make them the champion of the NFL? No. This new gimmick in MMA is a joke and should have no impact on GOAT status.
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Some merit there.
 
LeBron said:
Going up in weight and winning 1 match doesn’t make you a champion of that division. To be a champ of a division you need to have had multiple fights and work your way up the rankings to a title shot. Or if you move up and win a title fight, you should defend it multiple times to show that you’re actually the best in the division you moved up to.

If the Clemson college football team played the KC Chiefs and won, does it make them the champion of the NFL? No. This new gimmick in MMA is a joke and should have no impact on GOAT status.
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Your face is a fraud.
 
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Izzy haters preemptively changing the goal post for GOAT status before Adesanya inevitably beats Jan and becomes a double champ. These threads are honestly pathetic. Just give the man his credit.
 
you really want adesanya to face no names of the LHW first?
seem like pointless fights with obvious outcomes to me
and if you actually beat a champion in his division you should be able to call yourself the champ of this division

of course the title should be stripped right away if you refuse to defend
 
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