Dos Santos Proving "Past Prime" is only perception

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JDS has never looked better in any of his UFC fights EVER. Everyone saying that after his brutal fights with Cain that he didn't look the same...that he was too slow and sluggish and lost his reflexes.... I've been saying it for years that fighters going past their prime is only a perception and not reality. Even Aldo at only 28 years old is being considered too old. Arlovski, Mir, Lawler and so many other fighters were considered washed up and yet they came back stronger.

Fighters look different in certain fights because they are facing different opponents. MMA doesn't ware you out like other sports do like football and boxing.

Nobody should ever be considered past their prime uner 35 years old. It's all perception.
 
In the case of JDS, yes... but somebody like Shogun who has had numerous knee problems?
 
Everyone's different so your premise that fighters can't be past their prime before 35 is wrong. JDS looked like a new man. Not better than he was St his best but a new and smart fighter thanks to ATT. Has no bearing on Shogun being past his prime before 35. Or Anderson being in his prime at 35.
 
You say this like variables don't exist.

How many fights has X fighter had (regardless of age)?
How much damage did he/she take in those fights?
How much of it is mental?

These things vary greatly between individuals so you can't generalize like this.
 
JDS conditioning was supreme & game plan superb I see in other threads some complaining it was boring yet I found it compelling. Rothwell started out with good movement for a big man, but JDS fight lungs & movement and not allowing himself to get caught against the cage. But getting that HW belt is gonna be tough with just pure stand up Werdum can stand, sit, & lay to win. Just something to think about....
 
Everyone's different so your premise that fighters can't be past their prime before 35 is wrong. JDS looked like a new man. Not better than he was St his best but a new and smart fighter thanks to ATT. Has no bearing on Shogun being past his prime before 35. Or Anderson being in his prime at 35.

Poor Shogun was past his prime barely after 30.
 
In the case of JDS, yes... but somebody like Shogun who has had numerous knee problems?
Knee injuries from training incorrectly(or injuries of any kind) obviously doesn't count. I'm talking about guys who haven't really suffered any major injuries yet are considered past prime just because they lose a fight. 90% of the time fighters under 35 don't really lose because they are "past prime"... they just lose to better fighters which isn't the same thing.
 
JDS has never looked better in any of his UFC fights EVER. Everyone saying that after his brutal fights with Cain that he didn't look the same...that he was too slow and sluggish and lost his reflexes.... I've been saying it for years that fighters going past their prime is only a perception and not reality. Even Aldo at only 28 years old is being considered too old. Arlovski, Mir, Lawler and so many other fighters were considered washed up and yet they came back stronger.

Fighters look different in certain fights because they are facing different opponents. MMA doesn't ware you out like other sports do like football and boxing.

Nobody should ever be considered past their prime uner 35 years old. It's all perception.

Sherdog needs to drop the obsession with simplistic absolutes, perhaps the reality is that yes fighters do decline BUT not every fighter Sherdog claims has declined actually has? the problem is you need to depend on honest and informed judgement to guess reasonably well at the degree of decline and Sherdog isn't great at. Whats more the simple defence of someone who isn't great at it is to dismiss all opinion and look for some kind of universal "rule".
 
I can't believe people are saying JDS never looked better. This wouldn't be one of his top 3 ufc performances imo.
 
Every fighter is different. Too many factors to take into consideration. How long they have been fighting, wear and tear, injuries, wars both in the cage and in the gym etc. This leads to guys like Anderson reaching hiss prime in his mid thirties, while Wand and Nog were on the slide at that age. Hell, Joe Stevenson was done by the time he was 29, because he started fighting at 16 and had around 30 fights by the age of 25.
 
People have different definitions of "prime". I define a fighters prime as the peak of their career where they are able to demonstrate physical, mental and technical (skill) at their very best.

Physically your athletic prime is generally considered to be in your early 20s to early 30s (depending on the sport) and slowly decreasing with age, along with your test levels, reflexes, balance, flexibility etc. For example, majority of female gymnasts peak very early on. You generally don't see female gymnasts compete successfully in their mid 20s because of injuries and the loss of flexibility and balance. Of course there are very rare exceptions, but it's extremely rare.

Technically your skills tend to improve with age. you gain skills through practice and experience in the cage, granted nothing mentally damaging happens to you. I would assume you could continue to improve throughout your career, tho, some people will peak technically early on and deteriorate over time or reach a learning hump they can't get over.

The mental factor is something real hard to gauge as spectators. Some fighters can get KO'd one time and will never ever recover from it. It's something that will always be in the back of their mind regardless if they are successful or not. Other fighters do not seem to be affected very much by a KO. During the Bisping fight, Anderson Silva said he thought he broke his leg again. For the rest of his career Anderson Silva will probably be afraid to throw any hard kicks. Donovan Ruddock believed he was never the same fighter again after two grueling fights with Mike Tyson. And some fighters just aren't there 100% for whatever reason.

Then there are other things like time out of the cage, bad game plans, and injuries.

Anyway, prime can be considered many things and it's something that is real hard to quantify due to the number of factors involved. I think JDS looked pretty bad coming off his first loss to Cain and some of his sequential matches, but it's honestly hard to say what the hell is going. Could he just of had a bad game plan? Did he mentally break down and was slowly trying to get his confidence back? Did he fight a superior opponent? Maybe. But all I know is he is getting older and he has been injured and we can only gauge their current situation by how they performance from one match to another.
 
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Nobody should ever be considered past their prime uner 35 years old. It's all perception.

While there is some true in what you're saying, you're clearly going to far.
Injuries, personal stuff and lack of training can put a fighter out of his prime at every age.
Just look at all the other sports for examples..
 
Here are a few reasons among many why you are wrong..
Mir
Shogun
Hendo
If those arn't perfect examples of past prime then I don't know what is..
 
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