Don't ever doubt T-Wood again. Best WW of all time

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chaos_36 said:
GSP has the greater legacy at Welterweight but Woodley is better. The game has evolved since GSP ruled the division and if they went head-to-head Woodley would knock him out. They have 2 common opponents, Condit and Koshcheck. Woodley beat them both by stoppages and GSP couldn't stop either of them even with an extra fight against Koshcheck.
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Currently third in my books, on the verge of taking 2nd with another win or two. But definitely an immensely skilled individual.
 
Lethal Hands said:
GSP is ducking him for the reason.

Prime Woodley is the best WW of all time.
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You can make a good argument that he should have lost half of his last 8 fights. People are overreacting as always
 
Perrichet said:
Based on what?

GSP is a better striker and grappler. Rory is essentially GSP-lite
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GSP has better wrestling, but Rory is the better striker. GSP's striking is overrated. When GSP can't employ a wrestling heavy game plan his striking looks average at best. Check out his fights with Hendricks and Shields, when an opponent is able to prevent him from landing more than 3 take downs in a fight, he struggles.
 
mastodon06 said:
GSP has better wrestling, but Rory is the better striker. GSP's striking is overrated. When GSP can't employ a wrestling heavy game plan his striking looks average at best. Check out his fights with Hendricks and Shields, when an opponent is able to prevent him from landing more than 3 take downs in a fight, he struggles.
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Lol at Rory have better striking.

GSP has better head movement, footwork, a better jab and straight, and kicks.

Referencing 2 fights where Shields was eyepoking the fuck out of him yet still got dropped from a headkick and Hendricks who was KOing people for fun never came close to doing that to GSP
 
People who keep saying 'prime GSP'... they're the same age, Woodley is 36, so how is GSP out of his prime and Woodley isn't? Also Woodley only has a few less fights, and those fights were in the modern era against a higher level of competition in a more evolved version of MMA. In GSP's heyday half the roster didn't even know BJJ and relied on wrestling only.
 
Quietus said:
People who keep saying 'prime GSP'... they're the same age, Woodley is 36, so how is GSP out of his prime and Woodley isn't? Also Woodley only has a few less fights, and those fights were in the modern era against a higher level of competition in a more evolved version of MMA. In GSP's heyday half the roster didn't even know BJJ and relied on wrestling only.
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Are you serious?

GSP started fighting in 2002.

Woodley started in 2009, 7 years later.

GSP has been in the game much longer and has more mileage than Woodley, also had 2 ACL injuries. Arguing whether he’s in his prime because he’s of similar age to Woodley is stupid.

Was Woodley’s prime when he got KTFO by Maquardt?

He’s clearly better now than he was back then.

Woodley recently has beaten a striker with no grappling (Till) a grappler with no striking (Maia) and a striker with no grappling (Wonderboy)

That tough competition
 
Rory Mcdonald is the best WW in the world right now, after all he did bit Tyron pretty comfortably.
 
Redhawks100 said:
Better wins against better competition sans BJ Penn/GSP fights for Hughes. That isn’t enough for me to put Hughes above him and head to head he’d get destroyed by Woodley.
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Better wins besides his best wins? I mean, OK. But unlike Tyron, who scraaaaaaaped past Gastelum and scraaaaaaaped past Wonderboy, Hughes dominated his opponents during his run. He beat the best of his era too, that’s all you can compare him to.

Woodley would beat him, no worries. But greatness just can’t be measured in that way. Who knows what Hughes would have been like if he came up at the same time as Woodley?

It’s cool, I never seem to agree with your opinions but they’re usually worth reading. (Slowly.)
 
It’s funny how one win propels you from nobody to goat status on sherdog LMAO
 
Funny how they promote Till as a Muay Thai specialist.
 
Perrichet said:
Lol at Rory have better striking.

GSP has better head movement, footwork, a better jab and straight, and kicks.

Referencing 2 fights where Shields was eyepoking the fuck out of him yet still got dropped from a headkick and Hendricks who was KOing people for fun never came close to doing that to GSP
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GSP head movement is non existent. He manages distance well with his jab, but overall, his striking defense is poor. His fear of getting countered in an exchange is one of the reasons why he rarely throws combinations. Rory has faster feet, and better lateral movement. Their jab's are about even. GSP uses his jab to set up his straight right better than Rory does. However, Rory throws faster smoother combos, and utilizes feints much better than GSP. Neither guy is a great kicker.

I referenced the Shields and Hendricks fights as examples of how GSP's striking gets exposed when he can't hold down his opponent. Although Jake Shields is one of the greatest WW of all time, he had some of the worse striking, and yet he was able to out strike GSP in the last two rounds of their fight. And while Hendrick had good power in his left hand, it was overstated going into his fight with GSP. He only knocked out two top ten opponents before the GSP fight, and scored no knockouts afterward. Nevertheless, he was still able to out strike the far more experienced GSP.
 
Huligani said:
It's already too late into Woodley's career for him to surpass GSP as WW GOAT lol.

Though unlike many people here, I wouldn't rank Hughes over Woodley. Sure, Hughes will go down as the more famous fighter, but Woodley is far better skill-wise with wins over much better fighters.

And I'll disagree with people here again (somewhat) about Woodley being such a terrible matchup for GSP. On the contrary, I think prime GSP is a very bad matchup for Woodley.
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Agreed. GSP made a career out of shutting down orthodox wrestlers like Tyron. It's his bread and butter style matchup.

Hendricks gave GSP the most trouble because he was a southpaw fighter that took away GSP's usual advantages when facing a wrestler.

1-Hendricks is a southpaw who can handfight. He literally took away GSP's setup jab that he uses to complete a combo or feint into a takedown.
2-Hendricks being a southpaw powerhouse, had GSP's right body and face wide open to power shots everytime GSP was on the offensive. It clearly flustered him.
3-Pre-USADA Hendricks was a powerful/strong motherfucker who had the wrestling credentials to go with it. Using the southpaw stance he nullified the double for a majority of the fight.

Hendricks was the "perfect storm" to defeat GSP that night.

Tyron is a completely different fighter to Hendricks, more akin to Koscheck.

Main difference between prime Kos and Tyron are...

Kos was much faster at closing distance, especially that power double. He could shoot it from farther away than most guys dared to and STILL get the guy on the ground. He was a much better offensive wrestler than Tyron.
Kos also had power, but unlike Tyron, wasn't as accurate...And he loved the overhand more than setting it up.

Fact remains, Tyron isn't stylistically the best fighter to beat a prime Georges, if anything it would be Tyron looking like a deer in the headlights thinking defensively all fight because that is what GSP did to most fighters...He made them fight defensive fights, he made them doubt their own strategies and moves.

Also, given Tyron's obvious heavyweight gas tank, he would be extra worried about the pace GSP would set. Unlike Kos, Woodley's endurance is a great weakness.(He doesn't have that level of explosiveness while fatigued as say...Romero does. This is why Romero is always a threat.)
 
mastodon06 said:
GSP head movement is non existent. He manages distance well with his jab, but overall, his striking defense is poor. His fear of getting countered in an exchange is one of the reasons why he rarely throws combinations. Rory has faster feet, and better lateral movement. Their jab's are about even. GSP uses his jab to set up his straight right better than Rory does. However, Rory throws faster smoother combos, and utilizes feints much better than GSP. Neither guy is a great kicker.

I referenced the Shields and Hendricks fights as examples of how GSP's striking gets exposed when he can't hold down his opponent. Although Jake Shields is one of the greatest WW of all time, he had some of the worse striking, and yet he was able to out strike GSP in the last two rounds of their fight. And while Hendrick had good power in his left hand, it was overstated going into his fight with GSP. He only knocked out two top ten opponents before the GSP fight, and scored no knockouts afterward. Nevertheless, he was still able to out strike the far more experienced GSP.
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Your post started of horribly and ended horribly.

You clearly haven’t seen GSP fight making claims he has no head movement and isn’t a great kicker.

Shields did not outstrike GSP. I don’t know which fight you watched because the only thing Jake was landed was his fingers into GSP’s eyes. Apart from that he got dropped with a head kick and sent flying across the cage with a jab.

Hendricks in the run up to the GSP fight was KOing guys with 1 punch. At that point GSP was passed his prime and won a close decision where the majority of the fight was on the feet. Woodley hasn’t fought anyone close to the Hendricks leading up to that fight or GSP for the matter.
 
chaos_36 said:
GSP has the greater legacy at Welterweight but Woodley is better. The game has evolved since GSP ruled the division and if they went head-to-head Woodley would knock him out. They have 2 common opponents, Condit and Koshcheck. Woodley beat them both by stoppages and GSP couldn't stop either of them even with an extra fight against Koshcheck.
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GSP flat out demolished Koshcheck in both fights, dismantling him both in wrestling and striking.

Right now I'd back TWood, but prime on prime GSP would handle Woodley.
 
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