Doing "mayweather style" pad work (Reactive Pads) Anyone else do this? Ive made an MMA version

[KingSaid]

Videos above are of me doing the boxing version.To make it an MMA style padwork, I added in calls for take downs, kicks, checking kicks, knees and more, some of which you can see in the video bellow. The video was at Tiger Muay Thai with Kai Kara France.

 

[Sinister]

Just out of curiosity, what is it in your opinion that makes this type of mitt-work particular, as opposed to just rehearsed combinations done in the middle of continuous sequences?

 

[KingSaid]

Just out of curiosity, what is it in your opinion that makes this type of mitt-work particular, as opposed to just rehearsed combinations done in the middle of continuous sequences?

I dont think its the only type of pad work someone needs, but I think its good for constant repetition of defense and counter punching, so when you need to do it in the fight it happens quickly. Also it can reinforcing good technique, or in some cases, reinforce bad technique. It also is really good for "fight agility", you add in slips, rolls, pulls pivots, even in the short video I posted, I helps to get you very mobile in the ring. Its not essential to a fighters success, but i think it can help for sure.

Are you from Jonny Tocco's gym in Las Vegas? I am from the UK, but I went and trained there for a few weeks, real nice gym, real hot in there haha.

 

[MuayThaiDude]

I dont think its the only type of pad work someone needs, but I think its good for constant repetition of defense and counter punching, so when you need to do it in the fight it happens quickly. Also it can reinforcing good technique, or in some cases, reinforce bad technique. It also is really good for "fight agility", you add in slips, rolls, pulls pivots, even in the short video I posted, I helps to get you very mobile in the ring. Its not essential to a fighters success, but i think it can help for sure.

Are you from Jonny Tocco's gym in Las Vegas? I am from the UK, but I went and trained there for a few weeks, real nice gym, real hot in there haha.

Sinister pretty much is Johnny Tocco's gym

 

[Sinister]

I dont think its the only type of pad work someone needs, but I think its good for constant repetition of defense and counter punching, so when you need to do it in the fight it happens quickly. Also it can reinforcing good technique, or in some cases, reinforce bad technique. It also is really good for "fight agility", you add in slips, rolls, pulls pivots, even in the short video I posted, I helps to get you very mobile in the ring. Its not essential to a fighters success, but i think it can help for sure.

Are you from Jonny Tocco's gym in Las Vegas? I am from the UK, but I went and trained there for a few weeks, real nice gym, real hot in there haha.

That's not what I'm asking, albeit a very reasonable response.

I'm just asking what makes this kind of padwork specifically Mayweather's, in-terms of using the name. The reason I'm asking is because Floyd Sr. and Roger both have very specific and very structured sequences.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

That's not what I'm asking, albeit a very reasonable response.

I'm just asking what makes this kind of padwork specifically Mayweather's, in-terms of using the name. The reason I'm asking is because Floyd Sr. and Roger both have very specific and very structured sequences.

I'm not the TS but I'd guess because mayweathers camp popularized what I call touch and reaction training.

Does this type of mitt work have a name? Obviously it's not mayweathers sequences and exact training protocol. He put "mayweather style" in quotations for a reason.

 

[BJJ Coffee Drinker]

the mma version does not seem very useful or practical at all

 

[Sinister]

I'm not the TS but I'd guess because mayweathers popularized what I call touch and reaction training.

Does this type of mitt work have a name? Obviously it's not mayweathers sequences and exact training protocol. He put "mayweather style" in quotations for a reason.

I just don't think people are extrapolating the right things from their mitt-work. It's not about the tip-tapping, specifically. That's part of it, but it's about why they run the sequences they do. So what happens is, without learning them directly from the sources, people tend to speculate, and the blanks of missing data gets filled in by other things, which don't always appear to be heavily considered in terms of how it translates to fighting.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

I just don't think people are extrapolating the right things from their mitt-work. It's not about the tip-tapping, specifically. That's part of it, but it's about why they run the sequences they do. So what happens is, without learning them directly from the sources, people tend to speculate, and the blanks of missing data gets filled in by other things, which don't always appear to be heavily considered in terms of how it translates to fighting.

I agree, but i don't see the problem with it. Unless you or someone explains their exact training protocols the only thing people can do is speculate and fill in the blanks. No one is claiming their training is getting shit done like a mayweather pad holding session.

What exactly should we be extrapolating from mitt work? Surely this is better than nothing. Im not exactly sure what makes you so against people doing an amateur and maybe somewhat aimless version of the mayweather camps mitt work. Is it the use of the name you find insulting? Or do you find this training completely useless without it being designed for extremely specific purposes by roger or Floyd Sr?

To be honest I don't even like the TS and he was spamming his videos on a bodybuilding forum, but it seems like you don't even want people to try. Like if we aren't perfect or know exactly why we are doing things we might as well not even hit mitts.

I wish someone would explain to me the right approach.
And by sequences do you mean why roger touches his shoulder and mayweather responds with a specific punch or combo, and then roger makes him roll or slip etc?

If I remember there was a video where Floyd jr. explains in a very basic sense what his response is if you touch him where. But I'm sure his mitt work is a bit more complicated than that.

 

[ssullivan80]

I agree, but i don't see the problem with it. Unless you or someone explains their exact training protocols the only thing people can do is speculate and fill in the blanks. No one is claiming their training is getting shit done like a mayweather pad holding session.

What exactly should we be extrapolating from mitt work? Surely this is better than nothing. Im not exactly sure what makes you so against people doing an amateur and maybe somewhat aimless version of the mayweather camps mitt work. Is it the use of the name you find insulting? Or do you find this training completely useless without it being designed for extremely specific purposes by roger or Floyd Sr?

To be honest I don't even like the TS and he was spamming his videos on a bodybuilding forum, but it seems like you don't even want people to try. Like if we aren't perfect or know exactly why we are doing things we might as well not even hit mitts.

I wish someone would explain to me the right approach.
And by sequences do you mean why roger touches his shoulder and mayweather responds with a specific punch or combo, and then roger makes him roll or slip etc?

If I remember there was a video where Floyd jr. explains in a very basic sense what his response is if you touch him where. But I'm sure his mitt work is a bit more complicated than that.

I think what Sinister is getting at is that focusing on the Mayweather "method" of mitt work absent the "methodology", is kinda like learning to write a personal thesis using plagarism.

The Mayweathers mitt work is a bi product of their training methodology, not the other way around.

 

[Sinister]

This^

 

[biscuitsbrah]

I think what Sinister is getting at is that focusing on the Mayweather "method" of mitt work absent the "methodology", is kinda like learning to write a personal thesis using plagarism.

The Mayweathers mitt work is a bi product of their training methodology, not the other way around.

I can see how it feels like plagiarism but if anything it should be a compliment.

I feel like people like TS are trying to use the methodology and incorporate its methods. But all we ever get is an 'Ain't nobody no shit about boxing'.

It's secrets are tightly kept yet when people try to use the little they understand they get slammed for it.

 

[KingSaid]

That's not what I'm asking, albeit a very reasonable response.

I'm just asking what makes this kind of padwork specifically Mayweather's, in-terms of using the name. The reason I'm asking is because Floyd Sr. and Roger both have very specific and very structured sequences.

Ah right, I hear you.

Yea I myself call it "reactive mitts" I just call it "mayweather style padwork" because to the layman alot of people associate this style of padwork with the Mayweathers. But yea I agree, theres nothing specific to the mayweathers. Just Roger Mayweathers style of padwork popularized the "reactive style" of pad work.

 

[KingSaid]

I just don't think people are extrapolating the right things from their mitt-work. It's not about the tip-tapping, specifically. That's part of it, but it's about why they run the sequences they do. So what happens is, without learning them directly from the sources, people tend to speculate, and the blanks of missing data gets filled in by other things, which don't always appear to be heavily considered in terms of how it translates to fighting.

The reason I use reaction mitts are:
-To decrease reaction time to a simtimuls, e.g catch a right hand shoot your right hand. Do it 100's of times and it happens quicker in a fight.
-Reinforce good technique
-Agility, slipping, rolling, pivoting, pulling, stepping, all in flow and quick succession, I find benefits fight specific agility alot.

I definatly do not claim to know the mayweather system or anything like that. I just called it that because like I said in the comment above, thats what the layman knows it as imo. But I call it "reaction mitts".

I use it as a training tool, its not the only thing I do in the gym and not the only way I do pads, stuff like the reactive mitts just looks good on video so I posted it up to youtube, but over 90% of the work is not reactive mitts.

 

[goldennboy]

The only thing I like about that style of mitt work is the fact that the catch and shoot is incorporated better than traditional style. It's almost instant like it should be in a fight. Also it keeps the fighters head moving when he's not punching, all and all its a good workout

 

[ssullivan80]

Ah right, I hear you.

Yea I myself call it "reactive mitts" I just call it "mayweather style padwork" because to the layman alot of people associate this style of padwork with the Mayweathers. But yea I agree, theres nothing specific to the mayweathers. Just Roger Mayweathers style of padwork popularized the "reactive style" of pad work.

All padwork is "reactive"...... It's pre-designed. Roger's "style of padwork" is popularized by one thing and one thing only, Floyd!

But as noted previously....... Floyd is a bi-product of a training methodology, not a training method. The pad work, is merely a method to enforce the methodology.

In short, if you're using "reactive" pad work as part of your training..... Then you're not doing anything different than any other trainer with mitts on. Although, for the sake of youtube likes, using the "mayweather method" to coin your training style gives it credibility to those who don't understand...... But those intricacies or the "method" absent the "methodology" have little merit. Teaching fighters to fight is what the Mayweathers do and have done. Until indicated otherwise, you're essentially teaching people to line dance and using the "Mayweather" method to indicate that it's "fight training".

 

[thugpoet]

Idk why you guys always have to shit on people's attempts at bettering themselves as trainers.

Just because someone uses a tool that someone else's uses doesn't mean he is copying them or doing without understanding.

As trainers we all have an idea as to what we think a fighter should look like. We then use the tools based on that ideal. If using the mitt's like this and it enforces your methodology then keep doing it.

You don't need to know why mayweather does something you need to understand why YOU are doing it.

 

[AndyMaBobs]

Idk why you guys always have to shit on people's attempts at bettering themselves as trainers.

Just because someone uses a tool that someone else's uses doesn't mean he is copying them or doing without understanding.

As trainers we all have an idea as to what we think a fighter should look like. We then use the tools based on that ideal. If using the mitt's like this and it enforces your methodology then keep doing it.

You don't need to know why mayweather does something you need to understand why YOU are doing it.

I don't think that they're trying to shit on him. I don't know whether the TS knows and understands the padwork or not either, but when you consider that the Mayweather's have a very particular way of fighting, I can understand their perspective that maybe using this padwork might not be the best idea.

For all I know though, TS has all the knowledge he needs

 

[Sinister]

Idk why you guys always have to shit on people's attempts at bettering themselves as trainers.

Just because someone uses a tool that someone else's uses doesn't mean he is copying them or doing without understanding.

As trainers we all have an idea as to what we think a fighter should look like. We then use the tools based on that ideal. If using the mitt's like this and it enforces your methodology then keep doing it.

You don't need to know why mayweather does something you need to understand why YOU are doing it.

Once again you seem to be offended at a point that wasn't actually being contended.

A tool someone esle uses ISN'T being used, specifically, the Mayweathers. That was exactly my point. Thus, it shouldn't be tied to their name just because it kinda sorta resembles something they do. Get it?

If you come up with a thing that sort of is a bit like something I do, then call it "Luis Monda so and so" you're out of line. The point is basic, call the thing something else so you don't perpetrate an improper notion of what the namesake ACTUALLY does. As a trainer, people should have that much respect for another person's craft. If we don't, we're not doing each other, or our fighters, any service.

P.S. - If someone IS going to attempt to replicate they Mayweather's methodologies, they absolutely need to understand why they're done the way they are.