Social Doesn't freedom inevitably lead to inequality?

[Teppodama]

The United States was founded on the principles of equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

It's not up to us, or even the government to make sure that everyone has a good job, good healthcare or even a decent place to live.

If you want these things for yourself, work for it.

Don't expect the government to steal money (read: tax) from others to pay for the things you think make a quality life.

Remember, there's no such thing as government-funded. It's all taxpayer funded.

The government doesn't make money. It spends taxpayer money.

"They" can't make you care about or willingly support any particular cause but they can still make you pay to finance their ideological projects by taking government positions and simply taxing you for the funds to finance the items they wish.

You can either try to get those political positions back to stop them, you can leave the country or you can leave society and go completely off grid somewhere you can't be found. You don't really have any other choice.

 

[Octavian]

You are going to have to expand upon your OP so that people know exactly what you were trying to say. Having access to work and healthcare is not in opposition to freedom, that sounds ass backwards.

In fact, those things help to facilitate a well functioning and free economy.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

It's a fantasy as long as there are differences between people's physical and mental ability, as well as work ethic, and personal responsibility.


For instance, it's impressive that you even manage to use the internet with your paltry IQ. What more could we expect from you?


Not much.

you’re an election was stolen guy. Go take a nap already. Your reality is crumbling by the minute

 

[Loiosh]

Many people would unironicly call you a white supremacist for this post

I wouldn't, but I'm taking equality of opportunity to mean just that, which is why I strongly support BLM.

We're still a very long way from equality of opportunity. Society still has an enormous amount of work to do.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

I wouldn't, but I'm taking equality of opportunity to mean just that, which is why I strongly support BLM.

We're still a very long way from equality of opportunity. Society still has an enormous amount of work to do.

 

[Loiosh]

Why do you think it's funny? It's objectively true.

Saying we have equality of opportunity now is like take a racer, smashing both his knees with a lead pipe, dragging him to the starting line and saying he has an equal opportunity to win the race.

 

[asdffdsa]

In general the universe leads to inequality.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Many immigrants utilize some form of assistance on their way up the social ladder, and many immigrants vote to support those policies.

But beyond that, you’re essentially using the “boot straps” argument, which is fine for a meme, but obviously lacking in depth. Of course people should work hard, and of course hard work can often lead to better things. But what you’re saying here is that people who lack access should just move somewhere else. You’re essentially using the “learn to code” argument while refusing the assistance with learning how to code. You’re ignoring the fact that our country relies on people in those areas, and we can’t afford for them to all simply leave. Rural communities matter.

This is America. We are a compassionate society, and we’ve always reached out to assist those in need in some small way. This is a foundation of who we are as a people. Hopefully as you spend more time in this country, it becomes a personal trait for you as well.

By the way, what country are you from? This is asked regularly, and you never answer.

Rural communities vote red and generally just want to be left alone. My argument was towards opportunity. Some rural farmers like their life, and whether they have a university offering computer science near by is not on their priority list. If someone wants more than rural living, moving is not the only option. Creative people succeed everywhere they are.
I suspect this argument isn't about rural communities though.
Immigrants currently yes because your tribe is essentially buying their votes. Immigrants who came to Ellis Island had no assistance and built up a very comfortable living through inter-generational "meme" of working, not going to prison and being quality parents helping their children succeed.
It's not up to the system, in the US you have every opportunity to improve your lot. Just behave.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Why do you think it's funny? It's objectively true.

Saying we have equality of opportunity now is like take a racer, smashing both his knees with a lead pipe, dragging him to the starting line and saying he has an equal opportunity to win the race.

It's objectively false.
It's more like you want one person to carry the other on his back, because if they finish at different times it's evidence of unfairness. This circular reasoning doesn't work in the real world.

 

[superpunch]

You're completely right. In a completely free society, most of the population couldn't afford to go to k-12 education.

Would that be a good society to live in? Of course not.

Just as we fund k-12 education for everyone, every other developed country also funds healthcare for everyone. We should do the same.

 

[superpunch]

The United States was founded on the principles of equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

It's not up to us, or even the government to make sure that everyone has a good job, good healthcare or even a decent place to live.

If you want these things for yourself, work for it.

Don't expect the government to steal money (read: tax) from others to pay for the things you think make a quality life.

Remember, there's no such thing as government-funded. It's all taxpayer funded.

The government doesn't make money. It spends taxpayer money.

We already spend more taxpayer money on healthcare per person than every other developed country except Norway.

 

[Loiosh]

It's objectively false.
It's more like you want one person to carry the other on his back, because if they finish at different times it's evidence of unfairness. This circular reasoning doesn't work in the real world.

It's only like that in how white society has been carried on the backs of black people for a very, very long time. Centuries of slavery. Jim crow. Policies to raise the poor that specifically excluded black families, including government subsidised home loans and free education. Prohibitive interest applied to loans specifically for black families. There have always been measures in place to prevent black families from accumulating wealth except in rare exceptions as always, because white people need to be able to point to a few successful black people and say "See? Everything's better now."

The insane hostility some people have directed at BLM long before the riots, and the depiction of these protests only as riots burning down all the cities. The deflection of an attack on your very democracy to the riots that occurred during a minority of BLM protests, and the suggestion that a deliberate attempt to stop the election of a president was only possible because BLM made people think that violence was OK now.

BLM doesn't mean other lives don't, which is probably the loudest, dumbest argument against it. The bottom dollar is that many policies enacted in the name of black activism have been equally beneficial for poor white people.

Anyways, we're not there yet. Not even close.

 

[bobgeese]

you’re an election was stolen guy.

Apparently you're a liar.


Willing to sig bet on your accusation?

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Apparently you're a liar.


Willing to sig bet on your accusation?

You’re a huge trump guy from day one. You’re even one of the types that make believe you voted for Obama twice lol


The tim pool trump voters

 

[bobgeese]

You’re a huge trump guy from day one. You’re even one of the types that make believe you voted for Obama twice lol


The tim pool trump voters

^^^ That's a duck if I ever saw one.

 

[Shoden]

What is freedom? because if you think this controlled government world we live in is "freedom" then nope....This is a very controlled world and it's controlled by Elites/Corporations...Sure we have "freedoms" specially compared to other more authoritarian governments but IMO this isn't "Freedom" is a controlled civilization with some freedoms and Citizens are fighting elites/Corporations thru politics for "balance".



True Freedom....No government, would lead to inequality and a very "git gud" society....everything goes meaning "Violence" etc could be used to achieve "equality" or "inequality".

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

^^^ That's a duck if I ever saw one.

I don’t want to bet you at anything. What didn’t you get? You’re a huge Trump supporter and an election fraud guy.

 

[The ScorpioN]

It's only like that in how white society has been carried on the backs of black people for a very, very long time. Centuries of slavery. Jim crow. Policies to raise the poor that specifically excluded black families, including government subsidised home loans and free education. Prohibitive interest applied to loans specifically for black families. There have always been measures in place to prevent black families from accumulating wealth except in rare exceptions as always, because white people need to be able to point to a few successful black people and say "See? Everything's better now."

The insane hostility some people have directed at BLM long before the riots, and the depiction of these protests only as riots burning down all the cities. The deflection of an attack on your very democracy to the riots that occurred during a minority of BLM protests, and the suggestion that a deliberate attempt to stop the election of a president was only possible because BLM made people think that violence was OK now.

BLM doesn't mean other lives don't, which is probably the loudest, dumbest argument against it. The bottom dollar is that many policies enacted in the name of black activism have been equally beneficial for poor white people.

Anyways, we're not there yet. Not even close.

If white society has been carried on the back on blacks, then why don't they carry their own societies into prosperity? Or carry Brazil? They had even more slavery, by your logic they should be even better off.
On the other hand, why do white societies without blacks carry themselves just as successfully? Mystery to me.
Because BLM is based on a false premise. Blacks aren't disproportionately murdered by police. They're murdered at the rate expected of their criminal representation. As are whites.

 

[bobgeese]

I don’t want to bet you at anything. What didn’t you get? You’re a huge Trump supporter and an election fraud guy.

^^^ 78 IQ

 

[Loiosh]

If white society has been carried on the back on blacks, then why don't they carry their own societies into prosperity?

They have, and can again. Living in a country where they have been so inhumanely treated and suppressed, redress is required.

Or carry Brazil? They had even more slavery, by your logic they should be even better off.

I can't speak to other societies, only my own. I could look at it more closely and I almost certainly will at some point. Are you suggesting that black society is inferior by nature?

On the other hand, why do white societies without blacks carry themselves just as successfully? Mystery to me.

Just as successfully? So you're saying America isn't number one? Also, it's principle competitors in the modern age have been societies where the entire populace was basically enslaved. America is at the top of the heap because it's enormous, has the largest undefended borders in the world with friendly countries, has access to near boundless resources, and for centuries had a slave caste to exploit those resources.

Because BLM is based on a false premise. Blacks aren't disproportionately murdered by police. They're murdered at the rate expected of their criminal representation. As are whites.

That isn't the only premise by a long shot, it's the one isolated to make the point that all is well. If you have any interest at all in reality, look into factors such as incarceration and sentencing for the same crimes, quality of defense as a function to low wealth, geographical segregation as a result of community policy and the resources denied black communities and schools. The list goes on and on and can only be denied with ignorance. As wealth goes down crime goes up, and wealth has been denied the black community since the birth of America.