Does the success of Junior prove a boxer with TDD would be baddest man on the planet?

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  1. ethanfranklin

    ethanfranklin Banned Banned

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    I remember when it was all about the well roundedness.

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    Lets say we scrap that argument and go elite boxer, plus enough time to fashion elite tdd and bjj defense.

    Youd be looking at a better version of JDS.

    Am i wrong?

    Junior is hitting 30. His first MMA fight was 7 years ago.

    He has a BJJ black belt, and they dont grow on trees. But essentially his game is hit and dont be taken down.

    In pure boxing, he is nowhere.

    In offensive well rounded MMA he is a puncher. His kicks are non existant, and he hasnt submitted anyone in the last half decade.

    At the very least, Boxing or MMA Boxing, as represented by JDS is strong.
     
  2. Big Mike C

    Big Mike C Green Belt

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    I dunno. Let's see who wins tonight.
     
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    JayElectra Paper Belt Banned

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    A great boxer with real takedown defense and defensive BJJ would be hell for pretty much anyone. It's easier said than done to develop those skills, though.
     
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    campbecc Silver Belt

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    of course; I thought everyone already knew that. If you can win the standup fight all you need to do is force the fight to stay standing then it doesn't matter whether you have a ground game. But TDD is not that easy against guys with great takedowns.
     
  5. ethanfranklin

    ethanfranklin Banned Banned

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    BMOTP is hyperbole. He dont need to win tonight. Hes already smashed up the UFC HW division, regardless of how he fares against Cain.
     
  6. Hanri

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    Sure. And great BJJ guy with awesome takedowns would be just as good.
     
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    Combat Wombatt Brown Belt

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    Look at Anderson.



    Great striking, average wrestling, and average offensive ground game (please don't say subbin' a hurt Hendo or Travis Lutter) and look how well he did.
     
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  9. Rex Kwon Do

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    Great boxing + wrestling and BJJ skills?

    Yeah, that's kind of the way the sport has developed. Nothing groundbreaking there. Top guys tend to be world class in one discipline and very strong in the others.
     
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    Good TDD with any one really skill at a stand up style will be trouble for most. Cro-cop had great TDD during his career and in my mind thats what made him one of the best. He was a greak striker but so where a lot of others during his time. But they lacked his TDD. I would like to see more of JR, I know he's gone up against everyone the UFC has given him. But someone like Barnett I feel would still be able to take him down.
     
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    Needs the cardio to go along with it all though
     
  12. Hanri

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    What that has to with anything i said?
     
  13. Big Mike C

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    lol
     
  14. ethanfranklin

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    Really i should have said, how on earth is JDS boxing comparable to Werdum in BJJ?

    Hes no world class boxer.

    Werdum et al are legitimately great at their arts.

    JDS would be nothing in HW boxing.

    His defensive ability is not the same as an elite offensive game.

    All he seems to do, is enough to allow his punching to take precedence.
     
  15. MartyMcFry

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    A little too early to say. If Cain wins then it'll more likely prove that a great wrestler with very good striking would be the baddest man on the planet.
     
  16. Duxtape

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    What about a Muay Thai guy with great TDD?

    What about a great wrestler with boxing skills?

    What about a great wrestler with great submission skills?

    What about a kickboxer with TDD?

    What about a bar room brawler with the skills of a world class martial artist like GSP?

    What about a jiu jitsu guy with Olympic level wrestling?

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    The dynamics of boxing in MMA is different than pure boxing, IMO. Also, it isn't that easy to develop excellent TDD.
     
  18. RemoWilliams1a**

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    it would only take numbers.

    If we get enough top boxers joining top camps and cross training a large percent should succeed.

    Look at how few top kickboxers (ex. Crocop, Mo SMith, etc) have entered and made it despite relatively small numbers right to the top of MMA.

    Heck look how many top brawlers with no training have made it to the top.
     
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    Cigano is a kickboxer. He may use his fists as his primary weapon, but he's got the range of a kickboxer, which is very important in MMA.

    Somebody who just trained just at boxing and wrestling gyms isn't going to have the range to fight kickboxers, and would probably get chopped down with low kicks. Especially at HW, where there's a lot more power in them.
     
  20. ethanfranklin

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    JDS isnt an elite boxer tho.

    Besides, his wrestling is only good in MMA TDD.

    He has a black belt under Nog, so theres that...

    Fedor, Cro Cop, Werdum, Maia, are all far better in their chosen poisons.
     

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