Does the Arm in Guillotine Work at a High Level? UFC 246 Breakdown

[Invisible Jiu Jitsu]

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

You should do a longer video showing some combinations between the Darce, Anaconda, Arm-In Guillotine, High Elbow Guillotine, and the Viera choke.

 

[EndlessCritic]

A couple of beautiful arm in guillotines to anacondas in mma:



1:20 by Borys Mankowski

 

[Invisible Jiu Jitsu]

awesome!

 

[Invisible Jiu Jitsu]

ttt

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Big Nog won the UFC HW championship with an arm-in guillotine

 

[rmongler]

The problem with most people's guillotine game, is that they defeat themselves before the opponent does.

When some folk say things like 'guillotines are low percentage', it is very likely, the picture in their minds is someone getting a front headlock, then trying to finish by pulling guard; which of course, is going backwards. Not only does this drastically reduce your potential for finishing, it also leaves you in a bad position if you do fail to finish.

In order to make front headlock attacks work best, you can't do it in a, for lack of a better term, 'ibjjf' manner, you need to do them like a 'fighter' or 'wrestler' would do them; not simply as an dimensionless 'submission move' that you go into regardless of what you and your opponent's relative body positions are, but as an implement of control used to advance into more powerful (finishing) structures. When watching examples of successful front headlock chokes at the highest levels, a clear trend starts presenting itself; the significant majority of finishes come by way of pinning the opponent on their backs first, giving themselves a fulcrum through which force directed into popping their heads off is exponentiated. If you can trap the arm between your ribs across their neck as well, that pushes up your finishing power even more.

One can possibly speak of other more specialized details, like outside in throat grips or elbow deep gag grips and so on, but that is the more basic essentials.

Spoiler: para exemple

 

[Invisible Jiu Jitsu]

good point about the positional tactics involved!

 

[tekkenfan]

id hope so sicne its one of my best submissions i loved the head arm guillotine i feel in mma lots guys dont truly know how to finish it so they lose it most guys try to finish like a basic guilotine tbh

 

[mataleaos]

The problem with most people's guillotine game, is that they defeat themselves before the opponent does.

When some folk say things like 'guillotines are low percentage', it is very likely, the picture in their minds is someone getting a front headlock, then trying to finish by pulling guard; which of course, is going backwards. Not only does this drastically reduce your potential for finishing, it also leaves you in a bad position if you do fail to finish.

In order to make front headlock attacks work best, you can't do it in a, for lack of a better term, 'ibjjf' manner, you need to do them like a 'fighter' or 'wrestler' would do them; not simply as an dimensionless 'submission move' that you go into regardless of what you and your opponent's relative body positions are, but as an implement of control used to advance into more powerful (finishing) structures. When watching examples of successful front headlock chokes at the highest levels, a clear trend starts presenting itself; the significant majority of finishes come by way of pinning the opponent on their backs first, giving themselves a fulcrum through which force directed into popping their heads off is exponentiated. If you can trap the arm between your ribs across their neck as well, that pushes up your finishing power even more.

One can possibly speak of other more specialized details, like outside in throat grips or elbow deep gag grips and so on, but that is the more basic essentials.

Spoiler: para exemple

I don't disagree with any of the technique stuff you said at all. I think a lot of head and arm chokes are most strongly finished from mount but I've honestly never heard the guillotine specificaly is low percentage before.

It's been a top 3 most used submission in the UFC for the last 5 years or so. @GordoBarraBJJ mentioned Big Nog winning UFC gold with it. So has Werdum. Title shots have been earned or defended by them from another half dozen people that I can immediately think of.

And in no-gi / submission grappling among most common chokes are like RNC, guillotine, triangle, darce, arm triangle, and all that I think it's the most common one after the RNC. It's won gold medal matches at ADCC, NoGi Worlds, Polaris, EBI, you name it.

The only place I don't see many guillotines outside of specialists like Hinger or Kron is in high level gi tournaments.

So I'd not only consider it high percentage but I think it's one of the most high percentage/versatile chokes in the game on its own and maybe the best one to chain other positional and submission threats from. Once that grip connects there are so many ways to submit with guillotine, an arm triangle variant, sweep/pass, or take the back.

 

[rmongler]

but I've honestly never heard the guillotine specificaly is low percentage before.

Rarely in grappling circles, but it is a not uncommon sentiment amongst more MMA watching fans.