Does MAchida dropping expose a lack of confidence in Anderson's rematch?

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  1. RemoWilliams1a**

    RemoWilliams1a** Banned Banned

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    Anderson made it clear that that he would not move to LHW and compete in that division because of Machida (and to a lesser extent lil Nog). He did not want to be in a spot where the expectation and pressure to fight Machida would be present if they both were winning.

    Anderson now has a rematch with Weidman and Machida is dropping to MW which puts them both on a collision course.

    If Machida and Blackhouse are confident Anderson will win the rematch, then does this move make any sense for Machida, who with a win or two, at most, will immediately be pushed by the UFC towards a title shot at MW?

    If Anderson wins does Machida immediately move back up to LHW?

    Even though I look forward to seeing how Machida will look at MW, I struggle to understand how this makes sense for Blackhouse in any situation other then Anderson losing the rematch.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Yeah fair point I spose, never really thought about that. Machida and Anderson was always a fight I wanted to see, especially since it would no doubt stay on the feet and be a great battle. But yeah, Weidman included I don't think anyone at MW has anything for Lyoto, in a way I hope Silva loses so we see Machida win the title.
     
  3. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    Too much thought into this.

    Machida just likes to stay busy. Unless it's a short notice fight.
     
  4. jaysinleigh83

    jaysinleigh83 Blue Belt

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    If Anderson wins, Machida goes back to 205. Anderson loses, and Machida's already in line to bring that belt back to Brazil.

    It's win/win
     
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    Maybe Anderson is more seriously considering retirement than his 10-fight contract would imply.
     
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    Machida must be at least 18 months from a title shot, no matter the division.
     
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    FYI,

    Last time Silva fought Weidman, Machida DID NOT pick a winner.

    There were also reports someone from Silva's camp was causing major problems but they didn't name who.

    Machida just finally dropped to 185.

    Machida is already fighting one of his training partners in Munoz.

    Silva said he didn't want to fight Munoz because they had trained together.

    Conspiracies are welcome.
     
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    I thought he gave the edge to Weidman or something?
     
  9. wellz6

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    Just because Machida is taking a fight at MW doesn't mean he's forced to stay at that weight class permanently. If Silva wins, I'm guessing Machida goes back to LHW.
     
  10. RemoWilliams1a**

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    its a good hedge and smart move.

    But a hedge means you are looking to Plan B for when Plan A fails.
     
  11. Presinator

    Presinator If Arnold were President, he would be...

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    Hardly. Everything always depends on everything else, but let's take a quick scenario

    : Weidman wins, Vitor loses, Jacare gets injured, Machida beats Munoz impressively.

    If these things happened (which isn't all that unlikely), Machida would almost certainly be the #1 contender.

    If Anderson wins easily, there's still a possibility that he vacates the title, again opening the door for something like Belfort vs Machida for vacant belt or something...

    Now if Anderson won in a 5 round war over Weidman... we'd probably see a rematch, and then have to re-evaluate where everyone else is in sometime around the third fight in approximately early July 2014.
     
  12. Presinator

    Presinator If Arnold were President, he would be...

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    Maybe Machida knows that Anderson plans on vacating the belt?

    Maybe Machida knows that his loss to Davis has pushed him back in the pack with Davis, Gus, Cormier, and since he's already lost to Jones, chances of getting a title shot in the next year at LHW are unlikely, so he may as well just take some fights and make some money.
     
  13. FalaRua

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    I think it has more to do with a lack of confidence in the 205 division.
     
  14. MadTitan

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    We've seen Anderson be overly sensitive about things like this before. He got mad when Munoz said that he would fight Anderson for the belt. He got mad when Wand came down to MW. The fact that Anderson hasn't said anything about it, leads me to believe that they have discussed it. Win or lose, Anderson is probably leaving MW to do superfights.
     
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    Pretty much this, I think that assuming otherwise is over-thinking it.
     
  16. S Class

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    Agreed. He can switch back and forth if need be, depending on who he wants/needs to fight.
     
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    Nah Lyoto has a Jones issue not a Silva issue. Plus there are new names to fight at MW- Bisping, Victor, Chael, Kennedy, etc, where as he has fought everyone in LHW worth fighting except Gus. New easier opportunities at MW and Silva wont be around for that long will he whether he beats Wideman or not.
     
  18. taedium

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    Looking forward to Machida whooping TRTfort
     
  19. ironfist05

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    No, Machida's loss to Davis just set him too far back in the LHW line, and since Dana was already hesitant enough to give Machida a rematch and Machida isn't getting any younger, I think Machida figured "well whatever, I'll move to MW."

    Not to mention his buddy Glover is already getting his shot at JBJ so if Glover wins, that's a definite no go for Machida.

    Machida's too small for HW so the only other option was the obvious MW, where he's at a comfortable size anyhow
     
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    What kind of problems was someone causing?
     

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