Does Lesnar benefit from signing his UFC contract late with USADA testing?

[Pacemaker Joe]

He is supposed to give 4 months notice to USADA. @dimspace will know if he did or not.

It's in the doping policy that they can waive the 4 month period, but doing it for a guy like Lesnar seems messed up. He never failed, but his physique would make you think he'd be targeted for testing more than say, Nelson. I am not accusing him of doping. Now, there's a good reason for waiving it, if they thought keeping it secret was good for business. USADA test data is public knowledge, and Brock showing up in the USADA testing pool would be a tip off to anyone that he was on the roster again.

 

[Combat Wombatt]

It's in the doping policy that they can waive the 4 month period, but doing it for a guy like Lesnar seems messed up. He never failed, but his physique would make you think he'd be targeted for testing more than say, Nelson. I am not accusing him of doping. Now, there's a good reason for waiving it, if they thought keeping it secret was good for business. USADA test data is public knowledge, and Brock showing up in the USADA testing pool would be a tip off to anyone that he was on the roster again.

That too. They wouldn't want him to pop up on the roster until after they could announce it and it would be a giveaway.



Also, a lot of times the guys on roids don't look like it ala Chael and Bonnar.

 

[Sgt Smith]

What if Lesnar never left UFC, what if Conor and Brock are the same person, and that's why Conor is out of 200 and Brock in...i mean, i never saw them together.

As much as it pains me to say it, the gorilla is an improvement over the penis sword.

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

That too. They wouldn't want him to pop up on the roster until after they could announce it and it would be a giveaway.



Also, a lot of times the guys on roids don't look like it ala Chael and Bonnar.

I'm not saying it's a sure thing at all. But if you want to catch more guys who are using PEDs, you target people for more extensive testing using various criteria. Are they out performing everyone else, is their body significantly different than everyone else in that weight class, inside info, sudden increase in performance, past failures, etc. Hypothetically, Brock could be clean, and dad-bod Barbarena could be on a ton of stuff. But if you've got a fixed number of tests to split between the two, it makes a lot more sense to hit Brock with more of them.

 

[LUDELOW]

Strict but fair.

no, not fair, in this way an athlete can take the whole pharmacy starting month 4 and cycle off in 2 and test clean the last month.
that's why the 4 month testing is in the rules, these 4 months are already mild, because WADA has 6 months in their rules.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

For some reason I believe lesnar is all natural. Never got caught in ufc or we for roiding. The guy was huge ever since he was 15. Maybe its from all the steak and potatoes.

He was arrested for possession of HGH once, though.

 

[lorenzofertatta]

For some reason I believe lesnar is all natural. Never got caught in ufc or we for roiding. The guy was huge ever since he was 15. Maybe its from all the steak and potatoes.

Then you my friend, are one naive, clueless sonofabitch...

Btw, Lesnar was not a huge teenager. That´s one of many myths surrounding Lesnar circulating on sherdog.

Another one being Lesnar cuts from 290 - 300 or some bullshit like that.

"I don´t need to cut weight to make 265 now.." - Brock Lesnar

At 14:12

 

[Combat Wombatt]

Then you my friend, are one naive, clueless sonofabitch...

Btw, Lesnar was not a huge teenager. That´s one of many myths surrounding Lesnar circulating on sherdog.

Another one being Lesnar cuts from 290 - 300 or some bullshit like that.

"I don´t need to cut weight to make 265 now.." - Brock Lesnar

At 14:12

When he first came to the UFC he did. After that he kept his weight down.

 

[dim_]

thats irrelevant in this particular instance anyway



for the contract about the retirement rules to apply, then the athlete must have retired under that contract.

So if for instance, Anderson Silva, is currently under that contract, so if he now retires, he is retiring on those terms, so if he wants to return he is aware of the 4 month criteria.

Lesnar didnt retire under that contract, that contract didnt even exist, so it doesnt apply to him. (assuming that not only did he retire but he ceased to have any contractual relationship with the ufc) or unless UFC try to employ contract clauses retroactively.

Lesnar didnt retire under that contract, therefore, that particular clause not relevant anyway.

but if it did apply, then they could invoke that clause regarding reduction (although i dont think usada would view that favourably if, as appears the case, the UFC and Lesnar have been aware of his return for some time).

 

[dim_]

What about perception if Lesnar pisses clean, which I expect him to do?

well of course he will, hes been aware of his return for a considerable period of time, so has had time to cycle off.

In fact, it wouldnt susprise me if he hasnt already been tested on the side to make sure he was ok prior to signing the contract....



Maybe thats how it went, Dana and Lorenzo got him tested privately 2 months ago, still glowing, so gave it a couple of weeks, tested him again, still glowing, gave it a couple of weeks, tested him again last week, passed...

bingo. lets get that contract signed now.

 

[ocfightfan]

no, not fair, in this way an athlete can take the whole pharmacy starting month 4 and cycle off in 2 and test clean the last month.
that's why the 4 month testing is in the rules, these 4 months are already mild, because WADA has 6 months in their rules.

It was a joke you big goof. Or was the winking emoji not a good enough clue for you?

 

[Grifter9931]

I added the "..." so people wouldn't think I was being serious.

Zuffa, NSAC, USADA, they're all shady motherfuckers. I expect nothing less than dirty, underhanded back-stabbing schemes from them. All in the name of money.

Nah, nah you got it all wrong see .....
There's only one slim shady ....

All dem bitches are crooked mutha fuckers bro ....All ...

 

[Grifter9931]

Well to be fair his current work environment seems to be riddled with guys who appear to be on some type of "gear" .... I mean we want to be fair to the drugalete

Maybe he drank from the same fountain or sat on the same chair and just absorbed some HGH or Deca or TRT ....

It could happen, pinky swear!!!!

 

[robjenkins2]

He is supposed to give 4 months notice to USADA. @dimspace will know if he did or not.

They can waive that.

 

[JosephDredd]

That too. They wouldn't want him to pop up on the roster until after they could announce it and it would be a giveaway.



Also, a lot of times the guys on roids don't look like it ala Chael and Bonnar.

Even more often, the guys who look like Brock ARE on roids.

 

[wartor]

This is one of the few times I don't care. Lesnar is a human wrecking machine who can't take a punch and had a hole in his gut for 2 years. If you come in to work with a hole in your gut and get punched in the face and panic, then you can perform this drug testing witch hunt. If you're a pussy like 99.9999% of the world and would stay home if you had a hole in your gut and never come in to work to get punched in the face you can shut up and know your role.

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

When Lesnar was active in the UFC. You can tell he was clean. His body was smaller and softer. When he went back to the WWE. About a year later his body transformed. Definitely been on the gimmick for a while. This situation suits Zuffa nicely. They should just ditch USADA anyway since NSAC doesn't like the conflict.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

TBD makes Lesnar turtle for the TKO. I've got TBD by second round thumping.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Rumor is that Lesnar's been training for roughly 13 months for his fight at UFC 200. If it had been signed way back 13 months ago I'd suspect he'd be eligible for USADA testing for those 13 months? However, if he signs the contract now (a few days ago or whatever) and they can start testing him it's only a month of testing. So any out of competition drug test would only be within the next tests. If he was a current UFC/MMA fighter like most everyone else I'm sure he could have been tested randomly whenever out of competition but Lesnar is not and is coming out of retirement.


I'm not sure how contracts and testing work, but is the above premise correct? That by signing the contract only a month before the fight Lesnar is considered a MMA/UFC competitor at the signing of his new contract and can only be tested starting then and anytime afterward?


And I'm no Lesnar hater. My 2 favorite fighters are Fedor and Lesnar. I'm just looking for clarification on this.

Idk, but the WWE drug tests. They suspend people for failing tests now and again. They had to crack down after Vince went to trial.

May not be USADA level, but it is something.

 

[fm20000]

When Lesnar was active in the UFC. You can tell he was clean. His body was smaller and softer. When he went back to the WWE. About a year later his body transformed. Definitely been on the gimmick for a while. This situation suits Zuffa nicely. They should just ditch USADA anyway since NSAC doesn't like the conflict.

the WWE drug tests strictly as well

they just fired a guy because he failed a test and tried to get a doctor work around and take it to court, but was full of hit