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Thsts a much better term actually. He is actually a solid gatekeeper and now that he is pushing the fight more he has improved, but he is far from beating any of the contenders
Does Jorge have the most deceptive record ever?
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I thought he battered bendo and thrashed daley. Shocked he lost those.
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Naw, he’s a journeyman who has almost graduated to gatekeeper status.
Prior to his recent string of wins nobody really thought that if you beat Masvidal it meant anything particularly special. He was admired by hardcore fans as a guy with grit and talent, but he was trading wins and losses in supposedly lower tier organizations than the UFC.
In fact there was a period of time where many people complained about his formerly conservative fighting style and thought he was a boring point fighter.
If you beat Masvidal it was kind of like, “yeah that guy’s tough, and it’s a decent win.” Nobody thought it meant you were elite.
And, in fact, if people started beating him now, that would immediately become the popular message on these boards. It would be like, “Mas is a well rounded, tough guy, but everyone knows he’s just a journeyman.”
A gatekeeper is someone who is perennially at the top of the food chain, threatening for title contention, and even may have fought for and won a title previously, but who usually folds to upper level competition.
These are guys who have really established themselves by beating most other top level fighters, but just can’t seem to get it done when it comes to the elite.
A guy like Rockhold is a great example of a current gatekeeper. Even a guy like Romero could end up being considered a gatekeeper.
The biggest difference between a gatekeeper and a journeyman is that a gatekeeper is someone who has truly established themselves as a current or former great. Whereas a journeyman is someone recognized as being a tough guy, who is always game, and has the potential to get some upsets, but isn’t anyone who is really considered a legitimate, championship level fighter.
The whole thing is obviously fluid, so Mas could end up in the position of being a gatekeeper if he keeps this streak going, but he’s really not quite there yet.
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Correct usage of Gilbert M’s name
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It fucks with my brain now if I see it spelled ‘Gilbert.’ Like I’m having a seizure
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oooor, maybe his record is the perfect indication of his ability as a fighter, and he's currently being overrated because he's coming off of two spectacular KO wins.
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If Okami was cut back in the day for being "a gatekeeper", Masvisal certainly doesnt has a lower status, since loong time ago.
And you even say not quite there yet? Lool he is more than established as one of the best LW/WWs in the world with no discussion posible
Most of his losses were very close fights, a lot really could have gone either way
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His first knockout of 2019 was against someone whose previous fight was for the title....
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he also faces very few elite level fighters imo, he has a win over Askren, Till, and lets give him Cerrone as "top level guys" (although I feel Cerrone is the ultimate gatekeeper type). Who else has he beat in the UFC that is considered good? Healy is maybe his best win? In a fight that I attended live and don't even remember. Chiesa perhaps.
You can try to hype him up and say he "barely" lost vs some really good fighters, but, the fact is, he lost. And he has very few top level wins in his entire career.
Literally, his best win aside from the last couple most likely is the KO of Yves back in like 07.
You can talk about his skill all you want, he is talented, but it doesn't make a difference if you continuously lose fights
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People say "split decision loss" like he won those fights. No. He lost. It was just close. Some may have scored it differently, as personal opinions, but that is true for the majority of fights. So when you say "he had 5 split decision losses", that doesn't mean "he actually won 5 of his 13 losses", it means "he lost 5 of his many more losses, but they were by a closer margin than some other losses."
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Where did I say that Okami was a gatekeeper?
A gatekeeper is someone who if you beat, people immediately believe you are elite or have elite level talent.
Mas just isn’t that guy.
People keep saying the losses were close, but they were losses for a reason: he didn’t do enough to win. And he has a lot of losses.
He’s just not gatekeeper level yet.
He’s on a two fight win streak, and about to go into a very lose-able fight with Nate, that has no upside besides making money off Nate’s name recognition.
Even if he wins that fight, what does it do for him or improve his rankings?
He’s just not the guy Sherdog is building him up to be, and there’s going to be a hard come down to reality when he goes back to his inconsistent ways.
He’s just not a gatekeeper. Nobody is going to think that if Nate beats him, Nate is some kind of next level fighter ready to take on the champion.
A gatekeeper separates the wheat from the chaff. Mas is just chaff that sometimes looks like some wheat.
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masdival should be nicknamed ranchero because he's the mexican cowboy. Good fighter, but always folds under the spotlight.
Most Cubans would sleep you on site calling them a Mex....
they can try
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Well, im giving you insight on what to call one when you meet one in person. You can start in the city of Miami, youre welcome.
This is recency bias. From 2010 to 2016 (through the Pearson fight), 16 out of his 18 fights went to a decision.
Maybe he legit changed his style maybe not. He was on ESPN after the presser saying that his problem was he let the fights go to a decision, instead of going in there with a kill or be killed attitude.
Anyways. After that KO of Askren his previous record could have been 2-10 and nobody would care. He ended a huge hype train backed by Rogan, Schaub, and Khabib haters. He did everyone in the MMA community a huge favor that can never be repaid.
Anyways. After that KO of Askren his previous record could have been 2-10 and nobody would care. He ended a huge hype train backed by Rogan, Schaub, and Khabib haters. He did everyone in the MMA community a huge favor that can never be repaid.
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Dana White said so about Okami when he was cut. Because he was considered a guy who separatedthe wheal from the chaff as you say.Where did I say that Okami was a gatekeeper?
A gatekeeper is someone who if you beat, people immediately believe you are elite or have elite level talent.
Mas just isn’t that guy.
People keep saying the losses were close, but they were losses for a reason: he didn’t do enough to win. And he has a lot of losses.
He’s just not gatekeeper level yet.
He’s on a two fight win streak, and about to go into a very lose-able fight with Nate, that has no upside besides making money off Nate’s name recognition.
Even if he wins that fight, what does it do for him or improve his rankings?
He’s just not the guy Sherdog is building him up to be, and there’s going to be a hard come down to reality when he goes back to his inconsistent ways.
He’s just not a gatekeeper. Nobody is going to think that if Nate beats him, Nate is some kind of next level fighter ready to take on the champion.
A gatekeeper separates the wheat from the chaff. Mas is just chaff that sometimes looks like some wheat.
Masvidal is certainly on that level, at least. Not because I say so, but the fellow fighters think so about him. You say nobody thinks you are elite for beating Masvidal? Im 100% that most people in UFC roster dont share your oponion
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But but but but but I thought Masvidal always comes to kill or be killed. Dude is a finisher and 4 real. From d hood brah!!
How does he have so many split decision and in many of them he coasted to a tight decision??
How does he have so many split decision and in many of them he coasted to a tight decision??
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Me. I'm one of those filthy casuals.
