does Jones really have the most submission wins in ufc lhw history?

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  1. itsjustme*** Blue Belt

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    I believe I heard Goldie mention it in UFC 152 but I find that incredible seeing how diverse Jones arsenal is. He also claims he doesn't practice his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as often as he does his striking wrestling etc.
    So does Jones really hold the record?

    side note Sonnen has 8 submission losses.
     
  2. Cygnus-X Red Belt

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    Fairly sure he has less than Royce

    EDIT: Ah, LHW only. Then it wouldn't surprise me if he did.
     
  3. Shadow Box Blue Belt

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    Most of the top guys at LHW are hard to submit so this is an amazing stat.
     
  4. Patrick F Carey Green Belt

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    royce was never a lhw
     
  5. MrWhiteBelt Orange Belt

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    I'm not too find of Jones but you have to respect just how amazing he is
     
  6. Junior D S Orange Belt

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    You quoted his post but didnt read his edit. He obviously is aware of that. I remember Jones saying in an interview he learned a lot of his submissions just by watching youtube. Crazy if true.
     
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    Jones will sub the shit out of Sonnen.
     
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    The guy is a machine. I think he will sub Chael just as he did to Bader. His overwhelming strength and technique imo will prove to be too much for Chael. Just a prediction.
     
  9. moreorless87 Straba

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    I'd say it goes two ways, either you have guys with high level BJJ who are hard to sub or guys who can be subbed but a very hard to take down.

    As far as numbers go Overeem has more sub wins at LHW although perhaps not better sub wins.
     
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    UFC LHW he is saying.
     
  11. Ace1988 Purple Belt

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    In the UFC, though. Overeem has 0 on that front.

    I would have thought Babalu or Jeremy Horn had more, but Babalu has 4 and Horn has 3.

    Jones has 5.
     
  12. Shwartz Green Belt

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    And why not? Jones fights often, he finishes almost every fight (I think I can remember two decisions in his entire career) and his style is good for it.
    About him not practicing BJJ too often - why should he? He's got great wrestling and good gameplans so when his opponent is softened enough and Bones has a dominant position - it doesn't exactly take a black belt to pull out an americana from mounted crusifix. And Jones is really great at setting such opportunities for himself.

    And, if memory serves me, there are no "offensive" bjj specialists in LHW - maybe Lil Nog but only a small part of his career took place in UFC.
     
  13. mcdowels Brown Belt

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    it will be fun to watch jones destroy sonnen.
     
  14. itsjustme*** Blue Belt

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    Jones has 6
     
  15. nostradumbass Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    That's not too unbelievable. Babalu has 4 subs in 6 wins but other than him, there aren't really any sub specialists who have had long stints in the UFC at 205 and even Babalu was only a purple/brown belt when he was in the UFC.
     
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    He had four title defense fights against the top 5 in about a year which is double what most other fighters do. Ignoring all the tabloid crap, he is great for fight fans.
     
  17. Ruttened Yellow Belt

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    Jones does have 6 submission victories but only 5 of them were in the UFC
     
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    I have a feeling he'll RNC Sonnen and add to his submission hit list
     
  19. Obsidian Brown Belt

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    There's a question. Who has the most submission losses in the UFC?
     
  20. xelad1 Purple Belt

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    It's hard to compare Jones to earlier submissions specialists because they jumped around orgs so much. But an interesting comparison is that Babalu fought in the UFC 10 times and Jones has fought 12 times.

    Anyway I never really cared about this stat on Jon Jones. Not saying that he isn't amazing but most of the fighters he submitted were in such a bad spot that he really could have ended them via TKO.

    Clearly his sub game is light years ahead of his actual experience, but some people interpret this stat to mean "he is the best submissions specialist at LHW".
     

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