does increasing your squat max translate into a stronger overhead squat?

[casperthegst]

?????????? :icon_neut

 

[LegioTitan]

Why do you care what you overhead squat?

 

[Gingervitis]

Why do you care what you overhead squat?

This

 

[LegioTitan]

I swear I wasn't being a twat, general curiosity as to why it matters?

 

[casperthegst]

I swear I wasn't being a twat, general curiosity as to why it matters?

because I read in a Dan John article that said if his throwing athletes couldn't overhead squat their bodyweightx15 that he wouldn't even let them throw....the overhead squat seems like a pretty athletic movement but I was just wondering if training exclusively back squat would carry over to the overhead squat.

 

[MAAddict**]

You know something guys? I'm really starting to believe flak is trolling us and if that's is true, its a real damn shame

 

[belph]

because I read in a Dan John article that said if his throwing athletes couldn't overhead squat their bodyweightx15 that he wouldn't even let them throw....the overhead squat seems like a pretty athletic movement but I was just wondering if training exclusively back squat would carry over to the overhead squat.

Just don't worry about it. Train properly and you'll be fine.

You know something guys? I'm really starting to believe flak is trolling us and if that's is true, its a real damn shame

He was here before Flak left.

 

[toonie]

That's not flak.

My overhead squat is shit compared to my squat.

 

[MAAddict**]

Just don't worry about it. Train properly and you'll be fine.




He was here before Flak left.

I caught that, but still you never know. He even deleted his YouTube videos as well of him doing DLs and SOHP from a couple years back

 

[Tosa]

because I read in a Dan John article that said if his throwing athletes couldn't overhead squat their bodyweightx15 that he wouldn't even let them throw....the overhead squat seems like a pretty athletic movement but I was just wondering if training exclusively back squat would carry over to the overhead squat.

Are you being trained by Dan John? No? Then it doesn't matter.

 

[MAAddict**]

Are you being trained by Dan John? No? Then it doesn't matter.

Hence its a forbidden topic destined to be closed

 

[grrthetree]

Increasing max squat will make you stronger in general, being stronger in general will improve your overhead squat moreso than if you were weaker. The limiting factor in your overhead squat will definitely not be your legs anyways.

 

[Kripto]

Increasing max squat will make you stronger in general, being stronger in general will improve your overhead squat moreso than if you were weaker. The limiting factor in your overhead squat will definitely not be your legs anyways.

This.

Over head squatting is probably the hardest thing I have ever tried. Destroys my core etc.

I'm just afraid to preform it in the gym with higher weights since we don't have bumper plates.

Edit: By higher weights I mean 135lbs. .....

 

[Tosa]

For the vast majority of people the limiting factor in the overhead squat isn't going to be strength, but technique/coordination. This even includes many people who train the overhead squat.

So getting stronger isn't going to do much to address the limiting factor. Additionally, it means that you need to consider if overhead squats are really relevant to your goals.

 

[selfcritical]

because I read in a Dan John article that said if his throwing athletes couldn't overhead squat their bodyweightx15 that he wouldn't even let them throw....the overhead squat seems like a pretty athletic movement but I was just wondering if training exclusively back squat would carry over to the overhead squat.

Throwing athletes require good thoracic mobility. Overhead squatting tests thoracic mobility pretty well. If you're really unstable in that position, your force production will go down, and hence your Overhead squat will suck. I imagine there might be some injury-proofing value to being able to isometrically contract through that range of motion.

Dan John likes to do a lot of mobility assessments, but unless you do a sport with similar ranges of motion I don't see why you'd give a fuck. A boxer, soccer player, or wrestler doesn't need crazy good mobility, and I suppppppooooose that a grappler might get some injury proofing vs overuse injuries from shoulder locks, but it won't help with any offensive motions that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Eric Brown]

because I read in a Dan John article that said if his throwing athletes couldn't overhead squat their bodyweightx15 that he wouldn't even let them throw....the overhead squat seems like a pretty athletic movement but I was just wondering if training exclusively back squat would carry over to the overhead squat.

You need to shut up and lift. The iron will answer all of your questions.

 

[Eric Brown]

I caught that, but still you never know. He even deleted his YouTube videos as well of him doing DLs and SOHP from a couple years back

What the fuck did flak ever do to you that you need to talk shit about him after he is gone?

 

[KnightTemplar]

For the vast majority of people the limiting factor in the overhead squat isn't going to be strength, but technique/coordination. This even includes many people who train the overhead squat.

So getting stronger isn't going to do much to address the limiting factor. Additionally, it means that you need to consider if overhead squats are really relevant to your goals.

This. In my case a lack of technique combined with a level of flexibility only slightly greater than the Barbell I'm trying to Lift.

But since I'm not into Oly Lifting, why would I care? I can get as strong as I need from Bench, Squat, Deadlift and Military.

 

[MAAddict**]

What the fuck did flak ever do to you that you need to talk shit about him after he is gone?

never mind..it was just a brain fart I had

 

[Eric Brown]

This. In my case a lack of technique combined with a level of flexibility only slightly greater than the Barbell I'm trying to Lift.

But since I'm not into Oly Lifting, why would I care? I can get as strong as I need from Bench, Squat, Deadlift and Military.

In my experience, squatting strength has no correlation with overhead squat strength. When I quit weightlifting and switched to full-time powerlifting, my squat went up. Quite a bit (110 lbs). My overhead squat went down, because I did not practice it. And it was not from a lack of strength.

Even when doing overhead squats as a conditioning exercise, it has still taken me a while to get back up to near what I could manage. Skill is the biggest issue, as maintaining bar position with heavy weight overhead is a freakin' bitch sometimes.