does doing cardio before or after lifting matter?

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Is one specifically worse or better in your attempts to not fuck up anything you've gained while lifting? Or is it negligible? Also I've heard that interval running is better for not losing gains than doing 20 minutes of jogging at one speed, any truth to that?
 
Yes, it does matter. There's nothing wrong with doing cardio tired. Fuck, that's the point.

If you lift tired, you won't be able to lift as much weight or as much volume and not get near as much gainz out of it due to the decrees in muscle stimulation
 
Basically what HockeyBjj said. Cardio immediately before lifting can cause your lifting to suffer and worse results. Cardio after lifting is perfectly fine, and unless you are doing ridiculous amounts you aren't going to lose gains.

You can do cardio before lifting if it's a significant time before lifting and you get proper rest in between cardio and lifting sessions.
 
Afaik, the point of cardio hurting "gains" comes from three points.

1- You need a lot of calories in order to gain muscle mass, and doing cardio burns calories. Therefore, it is counterproductive to your goals. This is relevant only for bodybuilders though.

2- Recovery is best looked at as some set amount of resource you have. Anything physical you do will cut into it in some form, though obviously it varies quite a bit depending on the activity you do.

If you're looking primarily for strength and your ability to run 2-3+ miles is not something you care about at all, then why spend recovery resources on that when you don't have to?

And since you can lose fat and build a decent heart just from the act of walking 3-4 miles fast on a daily basis, while not using a whole lot of your recovery resource, why not do that instead of jogging or running?

3- Running, or most activities where you just work at a pace for many hours straight, is said to lead you body into a catabolic state. Which is obviously bad for both muscle and strength improvements.

But know that virtually every article (at least the ones I've read) that rant on the negatives of long cardio is that they're nothing more than rants.

They don't actually specify anything and just go on and on about how "cardio", which they never bother to define anymore specifically than talk about marathoners, kills strength and muscle growth through what I wrote above. And then they talk about the virtues of walking and HiiT work and how everyone should do those instead.

But the fact is the "cardio" you do matters. Is it a "short" session many hours after you lifted, where you jog 3-4 miles at a lively pace? Or it is 10+ miles? Jogging 3-4 miles won't hurt your gains, provided that you account for it in your eating. The improvement in your heart and lung capacity will probably help your training.

Interval training, particular HiiT, can fuck you up far far more than random-ass jogging. Because HiiT is comparable to what weight-lifting would be doing. If you program it wrong, then it'll burn you hard and you won't recover enough.
 
You can do cardio before lifting if it's a significant time before lifting and you get proper rest in between cardio and lifting sessions.

I used to run in the mornings before work and then lift afterwords on Tuesdays and Thursdays. That kind of time with the rest of work and essentially two meals isn't an issue. I was thinking one, then maybe half hour or hour later the other
 
I jog for like a mile or so on the treadmill or hit the bag before lifting. havent noticed much of a performance loss, but then again i've been doing that for so long that my body probably has just gotten used to it. It would be interesting to do a day of just lifting without no cardio before to see if I can lift heavier.
 
A) It's always better to do cardio after lifting if you must do them back to back

B) We need more context. The reason this topic always turns into a ragefest is because no one ever gives enough context. What are your goals?

C) When in doubt, if you've got the time and you're just trying to keep fat low, walk.
 
I'm fat and am not losing as much weight as I'd like to be with lifting.
 
I jog for like a mile or so on the treadmill or hit the bag before lifting. havent noticed much of a performance loss, but then again i've been doing that for so long that my body probably has just gotten used to it. It would be interesting to do a day of just lifting without no cardio before to see if I can lift heavier.

To be fair, I don't think "jog for a mile or so on the treadmill" before lifting is really "cardio" - it's more of a warmup. You might even find that your lifts get worse if you remove that.
 
I've done cardio first and have some great strength workouts except for squat (but later in the day my squat is fine). Just don't take shit to the extreme (advice for any other question for that matter).
 
I have fixed my diet. Eating around 2200 cal a day with less than 50g carbs and around 220g protein. However I'd like to lose 25 extra pounds in 2 months

Just to get this straight: You want to lose 25 EXTRA pounds in 2 months? I assume that's on top of the weight your losing already.

So 25/8.66(4.33 weeks per month) you want to lose an additional 2.89 pounds per week? Again assuming you're losing a healthy 1 - 3 pounds you want to push that total to 4 - 6 pounds per week?

That's possible but it may effect your lifts in a negative way.
 
I jog for like a mile or so on the treadmill or hit the bag before lifting. havent noticed much of a performance loss, but then again i've been doing that for so long that my body probably has just gotten used to it. It would be interesting to do a day of just lifting without no cardio before to see if I can lift heavier.

i wouldn't really consider that cardio. you need to know your target heart rate and keep in that zone for over 20 minutes if you want "cardio"
 
Just to get this straight: You want to lose 25 EXTRA pounds in 2 months? I assume that's on top of the weight your losing already.

So 25/8.66(4.33 weeks per month) you want to lose an additional 2.89 pounds per week? Again assuming you're losing a healthy 1 - 3 pounds you want to push that total to 4 - 6 pounds per week?

That's possible but it may effect your lifts in a negative way.

25 total
 
i wouldn't really consider that cardio. you need to know your target heart rate and keep in that zone for over 20 minutes if you want "cardio"

Yeah I guess for jogging, but at least twice a week I hit the bag for 6-7 3min rounds and then take a break for 5 min and go lift heavy right after. But everyone is different and like i said I've done this for a long time so I probably just got used to it over time.
 
25lbs in 2 months is brutal as is. You're asking too much if you're not prepared to lose significant strength and lean mass along the way.
 
If it's fairly light cardio, like a km or so on the rower, I'd say go nuts. If it's something more intense, I'd suggest you do it afterwards or on separate days.

I don't know any of the science behind this, but, as someone already said, lifting while tired could potentially be dangerous, whereas cardio while tired is just a head start.
 
I run a fast paced mile after lifting. It's better that way and it should help you burn fat a little faster.
 
I do it however I can fit it in. If I'm deadlifting or squatting I like to run after the lifting or not at all. For other stuff, it just depends. For example of my strength stuff for the day is 531 for the ohp, some pull-ups a dips....then I'll run first of I feel like it. But or squats especially, I run after (if I run that day).

This past weekend, I participated in a 5k run an deadlift competition that the sports majors at te university I work for organized. I ran 18:49 for the 5k and still managed to pull 485 with absolutely no issue. FTR, the pull was done 15 minutes after finishing the run. Probably not a good indocator since it was a competition and I just did a few warmup pulls then did 485.

Ie been working on that for awhile. I wish I had a "strong" bench.
 
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