Does Daniel Cormier's legacy exceed Jon Jones if Jones fails at Heavyweight?

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Jon Jones is undoubted the GOAT at LHW, and I think it is hard to argue that DC isn't the second best at LHW.

If Jon Jones closed out his career without ever trying for the HW belt, I'd say he had the better career than DC in terms of legacy, but if Jones tries and fails, the question of if Jones could have been a double champ would be answered.

DC became HW champ in the twilight of his career pushing old age (also did it without bulking up his body for 3 years, just put back on some fat).

If Jones moves up and gets destroyed by Gane and bails on his attempt for a HW title, would you consider DC to be better than Jones in terms of accomplishments?
 
Overall id say jones still had the better resume.
Some already have dc higher due to jones ped usage.
 
Nah, especially when you consider DC only got his HW title because of an eye poke. I used to defend him for this, but the second fight made it undeniable. Stipe needed fucking retinal surgery after that. Not even JJ with his long history of eye pokes caused an opponent to need any sort of eye surgery.

The only valid argument I could see here is about JJ's PED use, which I'm also not a fan of.
 
DC did not pop for anything let that be stated, but let’s not forget his test levels were very suspect as well on that same results Jones popped for….

As Diaz the younger once stated.
“Everyone’s on steroids” & “I’m not suprised …motherfucker”
 
Definitely not.

Cormier *might* be the second best LHW but his run was very short, especially compared to Jones. He beat Rumble and Gus, which are excellent wins, he beat Volkan, which is a good win, he beat two old middleweights (Hendo and Anderson), and he beat late replacement Patrick Cummins. He also lost decisively to Jones twice. That’s he entire LHW career. Ability-wise he might have peaked as the second best but its hard to compare his career to guys like Shogun.

His HW career is very good too with good wins over Barnett, Mir, Big Foot and Lewis plus the fantastic Stipe win of course. He also lost twice to Stipe near the end. I don’t hold that against him too much but it does make him 1-4 against champions.

He’s basically a two-division Jon Fitch plus the one Stipe win. Great career but nowhere near Jones, who completely dominated LHW (including DC) for years and is now taking a money fight at the end.
 
drbolony said:
Nah, especially when you consider DC only got his HW title because of an eye poke. I used to defend him for this, but the second fight made it undeniable. Stipe needed fucking retinal surgery after that. Not even JJ with his long history of eye pokes caused an opponent to need any sort of eye surgery.

The only valid argument I could see here is about JJ's PED use, which I'm also not a fan of.
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I think it’s too much to say that he got the title “because of” the eye poke. DC was definitely capable of beating Stipe on any given night.
 
Good question. Jones* was juicy, DC never pissed hot (but did have a towel gate and IIRC some weird testosterone ratios that Sherdog doctors argued about).
Jones* is a criminal outside the cage while DC is a family man.
Jones* has sub-par performances against gatekeepers like OSP/Santos/Smith, while DC's HW legacy in the UFC is going 1-2 against Stipe (with eyepokes aplenty) and beating a person with hot balls.
 
Mr Fahrenheit said:
I think it’s too much to say that he got the title “because of” the eye poke. DC was definitely capable of beating Stipe on any given night.
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He definitely poked Stipe in the eye before clinching him. The strikes you don't see coming are the ones that hurt you, which is why feints (and eye poking) are so effective. DC could've won, but he only won the fight that Stipe needed surgery after.
 
Bob Sagat said:
except for not popping for PEDs and having titles in two different weight divs
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MMA is built on PEDs. PRIDE explicitly wrote into their fighter contracts that use of steroids was permitted and there would never be any tests. Now in the UFC, USADA outsources testing in foreign countries to local testing collectors, including countries that have state-sponsored doping programs, such as Russia.

Daniel Cormier also had irregular testosterone levels.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/...aniel-cormier-te-ratio-low-drug-test-mma-news

Cormier further cheated during weigh-ins so he didn't have to make the same weight as his opponent.

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Two div champ is better then single.

If Jones loses his career will be viewed very differently.
 
drbolony said:
Nah, especially when you consider DC only got his HW title because of an eye poke. I used to defend him for this, but the second fight made it undeniable. Stipe needed fucking retinal surgery after that. Not even JJ with his long history of eye pokes caused an opponent to need any sort of eye surgery.

The only valid argument I could see here is about JJ's PED use, which I'm also not a fan of.
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Half of Stipe's finger went into DC's eye, and Jones poked nearly every opponent he's had.

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The PED thing isn't something most people care about so I don't see that diminishing Jones moving forward. Most of the people that try to use PEDs against guys like Jones & Anderson have an agenda to elevate GSP, Fedor, ect. Most fans know most fighters likely take something at some point in their careers.
 
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