Does Cain not put hooks in because he doesn't want to end up on bottom?

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  1. rorydaboss

    rorydaboss Brown Belt

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    Cain had at least 5 chances, probably more, to throw legs in and take JDS's back. He never even attempted it. Why does he do this? It just seems counterproductive to not try to take the back when it is so easily accessible. Is Cain really that uncomfortable with his offensive bjj?
     
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    Yes.

    In his debut against Brad Morris, Goldberg had the audacity to say that this was an area of Cain's game that "needs evolving".

    The truth is, not putting hooks in may be the next evolution.
     
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    knoxville80 LaTiN PoWeR

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    He was also very conservative with his knees, maybe he was avoiding been taken down too
     
  4. Kaffe

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    Riding like that provides great control and less chances of getting reversed. It is a perfectly valid strategy.
     
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    Cain wanted to pummel the shit out of JDS instead of looking for the sub.
     
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    When Cain sticks with what he is good at he is unstoppable, if his ego gets in the way he gets KTFO. Easy to see why he did what he did.
     
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    Only for people who can't do a simple RNC
     
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    How often do we see fights ending up with backmount halfway through a round stay like that for the rest of the round with no choke happening? It happens quite a lot, and it's harder to do effective GnP from the back.
     
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    umm, its called wrestling. lol.
     
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    I think he doesnt hook because he knows he will strike when on the ground rather than try for a sub,just my view though,could be wrong.
     
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    Cain wanted to stick to top control and wear JDS down.

    It seemed to be a valid and successful strategy from my vantage point last night.
     
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    how often do you see heavyweights put legs in? it is very difficult for a heavyweight to ride someones back without getting reversed. Even in wrestling all through college i prob saw a heavy put in legs 2 or 3 times only. heavyweights just are not able to effectively keep control while sticking in the legs. its a combination of dexterity paired with the size and strength of the person underneath, its a recipe for getting reversed very quickly
     
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    Seemed like he wanted to do more of a wrestling style control. Which makes sense based off of his background. Although a few times it was looking like he was throwing in "reverse" hooks. I'm not sure if reverse is the right word, but they certainly weren't standard. I'll have to re-watch the fight again, but there is no doubt Cain's grappling is 90% wrestling.
     
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    For the same reason CHael didnt throw hooks in with AS in the first fight. He prefers the top game, without hooks in people can roll out or reverse you.If jds rolled Cain would still stay on top. Cain didnt want to look for sub, he wanted to beat JDS's face in and did just that.
     
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    Because he's more than happy to rain down strikes from referee's position, like we've seen from so many other wrestlers making their way into MMA. In his case, it's particularly effective. Why fix what ain't broke?
     
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    lots of top fighters dont put in hooks. but, I think stocky wrestlers are least likely. hooks work better with long limbs. In fact for stocky wrestlers it may be optimal to just ride. cain has very very thick legs
     
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    I don't know about that. Getting hooks is major. It's paramount to having a complete ground game. If you can't do that effectively your game will always be lacking
     
  18. Kaffe

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    There is a difference between not putting in the hooks and not being able to put in the hooks.
     
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    There are a few problems with not putting your hooks in. First of all it makes it a lot easier for people just to get to all fours and power their way back to their feet when they aren't worried about getting their back taken. Also, taking someone's back is a very advantageous position and if you are good at it you are unlikely to get reversed and end up in a bad position. The main problem though is that Cain wasn't even able to keep JDS down using this method. If JDS got to his knees he got back to his feet soon after.
     
  20. rorydaboss

    rorydaboss Brown Belt

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    Yes, because going for the sub is the only thing you can do while you have someone's back....

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