Do you want a meritocracy?

[panamaican]

so, one is being paid because they aren't employed and can't provide.....

The other is literally the exact opposite, paid to form a specific job or skill. The inverse of the unemployed mooch

So basically i'm somehow at fault b/c i chose an employer w/ better benefits than others in this thread? word?

No, you're not at fault. You're just in denial. The military, as someone else pointed out, doubles as a jobs program. There are people who aren't cut out for capitalism. Nothing wrong with that. They need government assistance. You shouldn't feel bad about it. Like you said - you do more for your handout than many others.

And there's nothing to be scared about either - I won't vote to cut funding for your federal assistance program.

 

[ehtheist]

No, you're not at fault. You're just in denial. The military, as someone else pointed out, doubles as a jobs program. There are people who aren't cut out for capitalism. Nothing wrong with that. They need government assistance. You shouldn't feel bad about it. Like you said - you do more for your handout than many others.

And there's nothing to be scared about either - I won't vote to cut funding for your federal assistance program.

I'm just jumping in part way here, but is it really a handout when the "job" in question is an essential part of maintaining the military industrial complex that has been integral to the prosperity of the nation in question? I mean, you take away the U.S. military over the past century and the country's role in the world is *drastically* changed over the past century, and one might argue it's one of the biggest reasons they're holding their position today. Soldiers being soldiers isn't just charity jobs being given to people who couldn't hack it in other roles - it's filling a vital role to the continuation of the state as is.

The job of soldier is definitely one that is government funded, but is it really accurate to describe it as "government assistance" when they do provide quite a valuable function to the prosperity of the state as is, even if the model of that prosperity might be on its last legs? It does seem to be a very distinct type of government funding from, say, welfare, which is most definitely a handout.

Or are you just having some fun at Hunter's expense?

 

[panamaican]

I'm just jumping in part way here, but is it really a handout when the "job" in question is an essential part of maintaining the military industrial complex that has been integral to the prosperity of the nation in question? I mean, you take away the U.S. military over the past century and the country's role in the world is *drastically* changed over the past century, and one might argue it's one of the biggest reasons they're holding their position today. Soldiers being soldiers isn't just charity jobs being given to people who couldn't hack it in other roles - it's filling a vital role to the continuation of the state as is.

The job of soldier is definitely one that is government funded, but is it really accurate to describe it as "government assistance" when they do provide quite a valuable function to the prosperity of the state as is, even if the model of that prosperity might be on its last legs? It does seem to be a very distinct type of government funding from, say, welfare, which is most definitely a handout.

Or are you just having some fun at Hunter's expense?

You should read the entire exchange it goes back some pages and will put the latest post into better context. It is partly at his expense of course.

 

[ehtheist]

You should read the entire exchange it goes back some pages and will put the latest post into better context. It is partly at his expense of course.

Sounds good. I'll give it a read through before I start flinging peanuts.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I understand his pt, and it holds true to many. Many join bc of lack of other options. Not me, i already had a bachelors and was working in the corporate world. My younger bro joined and was permanently disabled in iraq, my best friend was killed in fallujah. Every other male in my family had served except me...call it a sense of duty i had.

That being said, i worked it as best i could. Came in at advanced rank, 30k bonus, stationed in europe, they paid my student loans and through a mistake on the their end, i also got the full GI Bill...also how i got my current job, well the entry level one before i was promoted twice

Spendong 12 months in kabul was well worth it, at least to me.

 

[carlos cadona]

I saw a video awhile back that made a some what compelling argument against Meritocracy, the gist of it was that merit is too difficult to measure and that outside factors out of our control effect too much of our lives to ever truly live in a real meritocracy.

 

[Falsedawn]

I understand his pt, and it holds true to many. Many join bc of lack of other options. Not me, i already had a bachelors and was working in the corporate world. My younger bro joined and was permanently disabled in iraq, my best friend was killed in fallujah. Every other male in my family had served except me...call it a sense of duty i had.

That being said, i worked it as best i could. Came in at advanced rank, 30k bonus, stationed in europe, they paid my student loans and through a mistake on the their end, i also got the full GI Bill...also how i got my current job, well the entry level one before i was promoted twice

Spendong 12 months in kabul was well worth it, at least to me.

I don't appreciate you bragging about stealing from taxpayers. It's one thing to be permanently subsidized by the fed, it's another entirely to feel entitled to taxpayer money. I suspect that your moral compass points different directions when you're obtaining the windfall. I am also curious how you go through the day feeling so sanctimonious.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

stealing? where did i say stealing? everything in there was legitly earned, they actually missed a payment on my student loans (1/3 of them, kinda a big deal), so i was thus given the full GI BIll, rather than the 60% or whatever i would've gotten.

edit: it's also a specific question on the Cert of Elig for the GI BIll online through EBenefits. I gave them the complete info, and even called them on the phone when they gave me the full rate. They explained since they messed up, i was given both.....

But thanks for your concern

 

[Falsedawn]

Rationalization isn't a good look on you.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

apparently you don't understand the actual regulations. I signed a contract, they only fulfilled 2/3 of their portion, I fulfilled all of mine. As a result, i was granted the entire GI BIll, i only expected to get half....

 

[Handsomebwonderfull]

And what would that mean?
Would we have to enact certain socialist style controls, free healthcare ( at least for anyone under 25) inheritance re-distribution after a certain point (10 million) and other controls to give everyone a more equal start.

Yes and no. Inheritance redistribution after a certain point yes. Universal education (college and tech schools) because they generate high paying jobs = higher tax revenue and better quality of life
Universal healthcare because it ensures a healthy work force, prevents diseases and conditions before they get expensive to fix, helps education (children get medicine). Just tax everyone because we live in a society where we don't let people die in the streets. (That's just how we are). Right now someone without insurance has a heart attack goes to the hospital can't pay so everyone already has to pay. The heart attack could could have prevented for 1/100 the cost and the worker could have kept working. (It's just an example don't get all wiggy about it).
Universal roads we have, universal vote we have, universal free speech we have, universal police, universal armed forces fire department etc. without those things society falls apart and they all are socialistic things.

As far is you keep what you earn I'm all for, as long as you help pay for the society that allows you to earn.

The older I get the more I lean towards things like a maximum wage, universal campaign financing and term limits. It's just bad for a society for a baby to be born to be worth more than all the teachers in America, and it's also bad for society for 100 people to be worth more than 100,000,000. Too much imbalance leads to societal crumble

 

[Harmonica]

And what would that mean?
Would we have to enact certain socialist style controls, free healthcare ( at least for anyone under 25) inheritance re-distribution after a certain point (10 million) and other controls to give everyone a more equal start.

If it's a true meritocracy, nothing would be literally free. That includes health. However, one could qualify for free health program by doing everything in his power to keep his health at the highest level. If he fails, that's where the free healthcare steps in. Who in his right mind would give free healthcare to smokers, alcoholics and junkies?

Quid pro quo.

 

[Burning Hammer]

Those don't occur in a vaccuum. Fix the crippling cycle of poverty and you might have a start.

The crippling cycle of poverty that's occurring due to high school drop outs, single parent families, and higher unemployment rates? All those things can be fixed by being a responsible human being and providing for your family.

 

[ocean size]

The crippling cycle of poverty that's occurring due to high school drop outs, single parent families, and higher unemployment rates? All those things can be fixed by being a responsible human being and providing for your family.

You are right, those people had the same beginnings as you but chose to be shitty and poor.

 

[no fat chicks]

The crippling cycle of poverty that's occurring due to high school drop outs, single parent families, and higher unemployment rates? All those things can be fixed by being a responsible human being and providing for your family.

So you think their children should suffer? "Your parents are useless drunks and don't pay any attention to you? Well sucks to be you"

 

[Burning Hammer]

You are right, those people had the same beginnings as you but chose to be shitty and poor.

They had the opportunity to finish high school, or at least get a GED/Equivalency and get a job and not have children before being married or before they're established. It's weird how being poor and white while having to do these basic things is expected. Yet progressives think black people aren't capable of these same feats.

So you think their children should suffer? "Your parents are useless drunks and don't pay any attention to you? Well sucks to be you"

Their children can change the future and realize their broken homes weren't an ideal environment. But I get being poor and uneducated is impossible to break from in a country with the most social mobility in the world.

 

[no fat chicks]

They had the opportunity to finish high school, or at least get a GED/Equivalency and get a job and not have children before being married or before they're established. It's weird how being poor and white while having to do these basic things is expected. Yet progressives think black people aren't capable of these same feats.



Their children can change the future and realize their broken homes weren't an ideal environment. But I get being poor and uneducated is impossible to break from in a country with the most social mobility in the world.

So basically you believe in birthright. If your born into shit, tough. What an ideal society we'd all have if you ran show

 

[Burning Hammer]

So basically you believe in birthright. If your born into shit, tough. What an ideal society we'd all have if you ran show

You believe in terrible reading comprehension.