I mean it does seem like that would be an easy way to bust up someones nose,if you cant create alot of distance in your opponents guard. Bas pretty much remains the only guy ive seen who used them frequently and effectivley. Obviously he was hampered by rules which forced him to do that,but he always maintained that there were some advantages to using them. they were difficult to defend against,because they are so unconventional. Anyone else ever think of this?