Do you think Ngannou comes back to the UFC?

[TheTickG]

He was seen walking out Usman (vs Buckley) at weigh-ins on June 14.

Any chance the red tomato puts his ego aside and gives big Franny a 1 or 2 Fight contract?
Maybe even uses Ngannou as leverage in a Netflix deal?

Yes.

Randy, Penn, Pulver, and many others came back. If Francis wants to fight, he'll come back.

 

[xhaydenx]

LOL at believing Francis is going to get fuck you cash from any of those orgs, Francis Ngannou has done more harm than good for MMA fighters with his greed, his stint with PFL showed what kinda of business he brings and by the looks of it, not much. Fighters are on a exodus and Ngannou leaving fighters like Patricio Pitbull on read, in fact Ngannou has probably ruined more fighters careers than Dana did in a few years than Dana did in 20.

Your opening line made me think you were thinking that I thought he would get that sort of money from those orgs lol.

But yeh, there's no chance. He would still think he's worth 1+ million in MMA and want PPV points. Good luck trying to get that sorta cash outta someone like Boss King Chatri over in ONE.

PFL is the biggest money he can get outside of the UFC, but I can't see that even being an option within 2-3 years. It doesn't seem like they can afford to pay him right now considering how little he sells for them, and with the way they're losing all their talent, they'll likely be gone soon anyway.

Once UFC finally gets Dakota, who the fuck does PFL have that they can build an org around with Francis? Impa? lol. Eblen is okay, but even he says he doesn't know what he's doing in the PFL. They just don't have anything going on over there and with the way everyone has been leaving, it's obvious shit is bad.

They wasted their cash so bad on Bellator too. What was the point of buying them? They lost guys like Pico, Mix and Pitbull almost instantly anyway. Basically just bought a bunch of low level fighters no one cares about that they can't even keep anyway with all their PFL fighters that no one cares about because they don't run enough events.

 

[mkess101]

You can't just throw those bad numbers on Francis from that PFL card haha.

PFL barely marketed that fight at all, and his opponent was someone no one gave a shit about. It was more PFL being the usual mess it is than anything to do with Francis.

Also look at the rest of that card. No casuals give a shit about those people.

I'm not saying it's ALL on him. But let's be honest. If the UFC released Jones tomorrow from his contract and the PFL threw together a card with Jones headlining vs Nemkov and the rest of the fights was the Nebraksa barnfighting tournament it would sell more then 10k. And Jones drawing power is a bit overstated by plenty of people.

Like I said, selfishly I want Ngannou back in the UFC but dude is NOT a draw.

 

[nostradumbass]

No. He's almost 40 and is 0-2 in boxing and crushed 1 can in MMA since he left and has lost millions for everyone he's worked with since. He wouldn't come back for his old contract and he isn't worth what he would demand.

You can't just throw those bad numbers on Francis from that PFL card haha.

PFL barely marketed that fight at all, and his opponent was someone no one gave a shit about. It was more PFL being the usual mess it is than anything to do with Francis.

Also look at the rest of that card. No casuals give a shit about those people.

Both his boxing PPVs were complete flops too. The total for both his boxing PPVs and his PFL PPVS are under 100k COMBINED, and the purses for just main events were probably around $100M just to sell 90 something thousand PPVS.

 

[xhaydenx]

I'm not saying it's ALL on him. But let's be honest. If the UFC released Jones tomorrow from his contract and the PFL threw together a card with Jones headlining vs Nemkov and the rest of the fights was the Nebraksa barnfighting tournament it would sell more then 10k. And Jones drawing power is a bit overstated by plenty of people.

Like I said, selfishly I want Ngannou back in the UFC but dude is NOT a draw.

Not saying you're wrong, but I wouldn't trust PFL to not fuck up a Jones fight haha.

Their marketing and broadcast options are a total mess.

 

[xhaydenx]

No. He's almost 40 and is 0-2 in boxing and crushed 1 can in MMA since he left and has lost millions for everyone he's worked with since. He wouldn't come back for his old contract and he isn't worth what he would demand.


Both his boxing PPVs were complete flops too. The total for both his boxing PPVs and his PFL PPVS are under 100k COMBINED, and the purses for just main events were probably around $100M just to sell 90 something thousand PPVS.

Yeh, people either don't know or seem to forget Francis's boxing fights only happened because the rich arabs wanted it to happen.

Without them offering the big pay days, those high profile boxers wouldn't interested in wasting their time Francis.

And now that he's got two losses, with the 2nd one being an absolute blowout, I can't imagine the arabs will care enough to pay Francis anywhere near what they did before. If he wants to keep boxing it'll be against low level guys for way less cash.

 

[nostradumbass]

Yeh, people either don't know or seem to forget Francis's boxing fights only happened because the rich arabs wanted it to happen.

Without them offering the big pay days, those high profile boxers wouldn't interested in wasting their time Francis.

And now that he's got two losses, with the 2nd one being an absolute blowout, I can't imagine the arabs will care enough to pay Francis anywhere near what they did before. If he wants to keep boxing it'll be against low level guys for way less cash.

IIRC they went in knowing it would lose money because they were spending big on several events to promote a sports tourism industry and make it a fight hub, but I don't think they expected the events to lose nearly as much as they did. A lot of the tickets were comped or in some cases even paid people to attend to make it look like a star studded event, then the PPVs flopped, then it seemed like the PFL guy was almost hoping he could find some more boxing bouts to losing money himself having to lose millions paying a guy who isn't a draw.

 

[volcom5]

No. He's almost 40 and is 0-2 in boxing and crushed 1 can in MMA since he left and has lost millions for everyone he's worked with since. He wouldn't come back for his old contract and he isn't worth what he would demand.


Both his boxing PPVs were complete flops too. The total for both his boxing PPVs and his PFL PPVS are under 100k COMBINED, and the purses for just main events were probably around $100M just to sell 90 something thousand PPVS.

Exactly why I say Ngannou did more harm than good for UFCfighters going into free agency. Orgs and promoters will be cautious with overpaying fighters without a return. Ngannou bless, alright.

 

[koa pomaikai]

Let me guess: Francis fumbled the bag?

Tell me more about how he forced PFL to give him money??

Leave it to a rabid McNugget glazer to be a blatant Ngannou hater

PFL/WSOF has always sucked

PFL was stupid for thinking Ngannou had a fan base that would pay money to see him.

What does PFL being idiots have anything to do with no one wanting to watch Ngannou?

Basically I said Ngannou is extremely unpopular and you saying PFL is dumb. It’s not even the same topic.

 

[koa pomaikai]

Ok Dana.

Just pay up you cheap bald goof.

Why would Dana pay money for someone that no one wants to see?

Maybe a bunch of Sherbros that will stream fights might be his fans but he has no one that is willing to pay cash to watch him fight that’s a fan.

 

[jko1355]

you wouldn't be excited for Aspinall vs Ngannou?

or Jones vs Ngannou?
or Pereira vs Nganou?

Mmm kinda

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Why? It’s not like fans care about Ngannou, he basically killed the PFL lol. No one really cares if he comes back.

He is the biggest name at HW outside of Jon.

 

[volcom5]

Why would Dana pay money for someone that no one wants to see?

Maybe a bunch of Sherbros that will stream fights might be his fans but he has no one that is willing to pay cash to watch him fight that’s a fan.

The sad thing is Ngannou put a lot on the line into believing fighters will also get paid a good amount with PPV buys, the so called “fans” straight up are a disgrace when it comes to actually supporting fighters. They only used Ngannou as avatar for their hate for Jones and Dana White. same thing they’re doing now Aspinall.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Why would Dana pay money for someone that no one wants to see?

Maybe a bunch of Sherbros that will stream fights might be his fans but he has no one that is willing to pay cash to watch him fight that’s a fan.

Everyone wants to see heavyweights who have power knock people out. This has been popular since the beginning of time.

Check out history. Foreman, Frazier, Ali, Tyson. These guys did billions of dollars. Even Frank vs Tyson did 3 million in his debut fight and he made 10 million.

I get the Ufc is more in the minor leagues below boxing and a declining organization, but come on, do better.

Get Dana's nuts out of your mouth and look at reality.

 

[koa pomaikai]

Everyone wants to see heavyweights who have power knock people out. This has been popular since the beginning of time.

Check out history. Foreman, Frazier, Ali, Tyson. These guys did billions of dollars. Even Frank vs Tyson did 3 million in his debut fight and he made 10 million.

I get the Ufc is more in the minor leagues below boxing and a declining organization, but come on, do better.

Get Dana's nuts out of your mouth and look at reality.

Did people want to see Ngannou vs. Joshua? Cause the numbers say no one cared lawl. 5k buys weeeeeeeeeee. And it was probably 5,000 Joshua fans.

Ngannou ain’t a Ali, Frazier, Foreman or Tyson. Nowhere close, Foreman didn’t have much charisma but even he has more charisma in his pinky than Ngannou.

Ali had the best trash talk in the game, his insults were legendary, it’s a crime to mention Ngannou even in the same sentence as Ali when it comes to popularity.

On his best day he might have as much charisma as Tim Witherspoon.

Also never forget Lewis vs. Ngannou, the worst fight in UFC history cause Ngannou fought with PTSD after getting tired against Stipe.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Did people want to see Ngannou vs. Joshua? Cause the numbers say no one cared lawl. 5k buys weeeeeeeeeee. And it was probably 5,000 Joshua fans.

Ngannou ain’t a Ali, Frazier, Foreman or Tyson. Nowhere close, Foreman didn’t have much charisma but even he has more charisma in his pinky than Ngannou.

Ali had the best trash talk in the game, his insults were legendary, it’s a crime to mention Ngannou even in the same sentence as Ali when it comes to popularity.

On his best day he might have as much charisma as Tim Witherspoon.

Also never forget Lewis vs. Ngannou, the worst fight in UFC history cause Ngannou fought with PTSD after getting tired against Stipe.

Agree, he certainly isn't an Ali.

But Americans love heavyweight champs. They sell with a little marketing. Francis sold 3 million and made 10 million against Tyson Fury.

The 5k buys was in America and the fight was at a weird time, it was not marketed well. The other fights were UFC fights, and they don't market fighters, they market their brand. They literally have zero fighters people care about right now, which is why they have a retired guy as HW champ.

 

[JBJ was here]

without a doubt. he'll come back at a discount too.

Well, we know that Rose Namajunas makes $250K/250K, so what's that make Francis worth to the UFC? $100K/100K? I know he's never getting his contracted $12 million for his next PFL fight, but I'm not sure his ego will let him accept what he's actually worth to the UFC, especially because he's not worth any more than $20K/20K after he loses to Aspinall or Jones.

 

[JBJ was here]

Not really 40 years old basically, bad personality, and his fights are meh.

Ngannou is the prototype of the fighter where you want to watch their highlight reel, not their fights, because their fights are mostly them standing around doing nothing while waiting for the opportunity to put something on their highlight reel. Watching Ngannou is 99% boring-to-tears when you aren't watching the aftermath of his opponent making a terrible no-fight-IQ mistake. Fortunately for him, MMA HW is pretty fucking awful overall so he mostly gets those opportunities, but he wouldn't get them against either Aspinall or Jones.

 

[spinup]

PFL was stupid for thinking Ngannou had a fan base that would pay money to see him.

What does PFL being idiots have anything to do with no one wanting to watch Ngannou?

Basically I said Ngannou is extremely unpopular and you saying PFL is dumb. It’s not even the same topic.

For an unpopular fighter, he certainly has a lot of people here making threads of replying to them.

Exactly why I say Ngannou did more harm than good for UFCfighters going into free agency. Orgs and promoters will be cautious with overpaying fighters without a return. Ngannou bless, alright.

UFC fighters cannot get into free agency in their prime.
Ngannou did it by sacrificing millions in purses for 3 or 4 years, and by going against UFC's pressure. And the UFC has since changed the sunset clause that allowed him to walk away free.

This was s a one off, the only UFC fighters who can reach free agency are middle of the pack journeymen on a losing streak or old stars with overpaying contracts (like JDS, Overeem).

 

[Deceasedxo]

I don't want Ngannou to come back tbh. His fight in PFL was dreadful and his entire gimmick is gone since he got blitzed by AJ. Would be a bad look for the UFC all around if he came in and started dominating again too. The boxing heads would be insufferable.