Opinion Do you think Capitalism is good or bad? What would you replace it with?

Starman said:
Slaves don't get paid. Your philosophy is shit.

Sitting out two wars and capitalising on both sides is what made America the most powerful nation in the world. They only took sides when they knew who was going to win. Your whole thesis that financial gain equals happiness, is flawed. I bet your a fat cunt and I hope you suffer from multiple "lifestyle" diseases. Please don't waste my time, because I have none for greedy cunts like you. America sells opiates to the world, that is straight drug dealing as far as I'm concerned. And I would definitely prefer to live in a pre industrialized society, I like fighting and shit like you would be chopped up and fed to the dogs.

It's lifted billions out of poverty and given them a privilged life beyond anything they could have built on their own. How much time and money do you think it would take you to make your own chicken sandwich from scratch? This is not a rhetorical question. It's a serious one. How long would it take, and how much money would you have to spend?



It hasn't destroyed the world, it's made the world. What time period before now would you live in, if you could choose? If you choose any pre-industrialized nation, you're a total idiot.



What reason would I have to lie? I love my life. I would not choose to live in any other time or place than the one I live in now. Don't blame me because you failed at life. Don't blame me because you hate your father.



No one gets robbed by capitalism. Voluntary transactions are the foundations of capitalism. It's the most moral economic system in world history. It forces sellers to create products that customers want and need at prices they are willing to pay.

No one has ever forced you to get a job, pay your bills, buy food, or blow your money on the latest iPhone. You chose to do all of that. If you don't like it, go live in some thirdworld shithole and STFU already.



Motivation, drive, discipline, ingenuity, and hard work make Americans rich.



You already beat me to the punch.
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eternaldarkness said:
Just as many slaves under capitalism as there was under communism, it has just been rebranded. Personally I believe in democracy, but with stricter guidelines about corporate influence, and much harsher punishments for corruption.

It's turned billions into wage slaves for shit that ends up in the trash. Economic prosperity does not equal happiness and capitalism has destroyed the world. Anyone that ignores these facts is ignorant or stupid. Grubs like you, like to lie to yourselves to justify your existence. Capitalism only prospers when they are robbing other cultures for resources or labour. What made America rich? I could tell you, but you would cry like a bitch...
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They say capitalism is the worst economic system, except for every other system that’s ever been tried.
 
Starman said:
What is/was the most successful non-capitalist country on Earth? I'll wait for the exhaustive list.

Just like I always tell all the other Starbuck Socialists, if you don't like capitalism, go take your ass on over to one of these so-called Socialist paradises like China, Cuba, or North Korea. The problem with leftist shitbirds is they never put their money where their mouth is.

It's easy to be a socialist when you're sipping a cafe latte at Starbucks. It's quite another to be a socialist under the boot heels of tyrants like Mao, Stalin, and Kim.
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Also I think you have me a little mistaken. I don't believe in any system of government, and I believe humans are basically a parasitic species. Don't worry, just like locusts, we will end up eating each other in the end.
 
Okay smart arses. Do you know why so many countries embraced industrialization and capitalism? It's wasn't because their people were starving and in need of social change, it was so that governments could keep up with the advances in weapons bought about by industrialization.
It was basically so self righteous pricks such as yourself couldn't invade them. Modern machines then put millions out of work. Then they had to go to America and steal someone elses shit so they could start again. When they fucked up America they started looking for the next "frontier" to pilfer, this is Alaska. Go ask the Inuit what they think of industrialization, you raging nobgoblin.
Your shear stupidity is really starting to piss me off. I'm not going to justify your ignorance by responding to anymore of your rhetoric, get educated or don't waste my time.
 
The feudal Japanese had the right idea. Merchants were the second lowest social class.
Capitalists are like grubs, fat, greedy, and spineless...
 
Jack V Savage said:
It's the whole world that is seeing improvement.

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Just one of many images that illustrate the point.

And please, get started on disease. We've defeated many of the worst ones, and generally improved outcomes across a wide range of them.



We reward productivity because that leads to more of it. If you base rewards on vague criteria, you don't necessarily even get more of that, plus you drift into poverty.

And, BTW, this is another area where I differ with libertarians. I think we should focus on rewarding and encouraging productivity, which means that we should have very high inheritance taxes, and we should shift the tax burden away from labor and toward land value. I think land and natural resources are best administered by individuals but are properly owned by the country as a whole. The way to do that is have private property rights but tax the unimproved value of land to pay for the functions of gov't (which include dealing with poverty).
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Also your graph is fucking stupid. What is poverty? If you have more "money" but less food are you better off? Most cultures didn't even have money, so your concept of poverty is pointless.
Even if they had money it had no value in there society, are you that daffy?
 
eternaldarkness said:
I would definitely prefer to live in a pre industrialized society.
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You would live in a society with high mortality rates, low education rates, and shortened lives that were filled with crushing, back-breaking labor just to put scraps on the table?

Which time and country, pray tell, would you live in, and what skills do you think you have that would allow you to have a happier, more fulfilling life than now? Can you build a house? Can you forge iron? Can you weave baskets or sew? Can you farm?

If you think working in an air-conditioned office for 8 hours a day is rough, wait until you work from sun up to sun down for a land baron. Or beat iron all day long. I'm sure that would be a much more fulfilling life than the one you've got now.
 
Greatest political system ever devised and it isn’t even close. Only critique is that there should be even less regulation.
 
JoeyJoeJoeJr said:
I'm just giving a vague description of what I would consider a better system, and you're expecting me to have the entire thing ironed out to the last intricate detail. You've called me crazy, delusional, insane, and have been nothing but condescending during the course of our conversation. I'm surprised to see you're an adult and also an english teacher, as I honestly pegged you as a teenager by the way you speak to others. You should treat people with a little more respect in the future.
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I've not called you anything, I don't believe. If I have, I'm sincerely sorry. I got caught up. I do think your ideas are delusional, insane, and even dangerous. The reason your plan is vague, and isn't ironed out in intricate detail, is that the concept is a vague theoretical thought experiment that, in practice, could only be ironed out in intricate detail by a totalitarian government. That's a problem. That's the problem I'm trying to have you recognize in the questions I'm posing. It's not an attempt to have your elaborate on your plan. It was an attempt for you to see that your plan, in practice, is far too elaborate.

If we can't even thumbnail a plan for something as simple and one dimensional as who gets fillet mignon and what we do with all that cow tongue, how do we manage the complexities of the larger economy? And who manages it? And how many armed soldiers are they going to need to keep us all in line when we show up and realize that cow tongue is the only thing on the menu tonight?

Capitalism doesn't have these issues. It has other issues, but those issues can, and have been, managed without falling rapidly into an inevitable totalitarian end game.

I'm sorry if all of that comes across as condescending, but I'm really just trying my best to get the point across in the most simple and straightforward terms possible.

And I am sincerely sorry if at times in this thread I have fallen off the track of being straightforward and onto the track of being rude and uncivil. It's a hazard of exchanging ideas through text without ever encountering the person you're in exchange with. I try to be conscious of this and avoid it, but I do fail at times.
 
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eternaldarkness said:
You dumb cunt. Not everything is about the economy, that is the entire point of this thread...
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I guess I'm not as smart as you, I can tell you are by the way you got emotional and called me a cunt for having a different opinion.
 
Koro_11 said:
I guess I'm not as smart as you, I can tell you are by the way you got emotional and called me a cunt for having a different opinion.
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It's funny he can get away with it because it's directed at people who aren't in lockstep with our left-wing moderators' viewpoints.

I've been yellow-carded for far less.
 
Starman said:
Links are not valid substitutes for cogent arguments. Especially links to user-edited material you have likely never read. Make your point in your own words or vacate the conversation.
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Oh! I see you don't want answers, just validation of your opinions. Goodbye.
 
eternaldarkness said:
The rapid spread of corona virus was only possible because of capitalism. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with grubs. Wealth is subjective, do you genuinely believe that having higher levels of material wealth directly correlates with happiness and standards of living. Must be great to have lots of stuff, heart disease and a twelve hour working day. You can fuck right off, because I have no time for the scum that has lead the world into it's current predicament.
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Time to get off the net and start your hunter gatherer existence.
 
Jack V Savage said:
It's the whole world that is seeing improvement.

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Just one of many images that illustrate the point.
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Honestly, the fact that this single chart doesn't end this entire discussion is a testament to the true power of cognitive dissonance and just how much these sorts of debate are about scoring political points and how little they are about actually being concerned for the well-being of others.
 
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