Social Do you support government being able to disable your/others car on call?

[SummerStriker]

Not much of a point in banning guns if I can still run people over with my half-ton of aluminum.

 

[fingercuffs]

When I used to have a company car my old boss under the radar was considering putting tracking devices on them in case we were making up going out on business meetings.

I took the 400 pounds a month car allowance and handed back the company car.

 

[mkess101]

Make it illegal for new cars to come with software and hardware that makes outside influence be to control them.

Allow for add ons to do so, but nothing built in.

And for fucks sake squash the idiotic idea of a cashless society as well. If you can't directly control something you don't actually own it.

I mean, yeah that may help? Probably would? But even if it's an aftermarket company doing it they're still susceptible to outside influence. If I start a company that installs these things aftermarket, my tech could still be hacked right? Or guys with serious creds show up at my business and say "Mr. Business, we are with DHS and we know you installed one in the car of Mr Bad Guy. This is a matter of national security. We can't say more, but we need access to it. An attempt to deny us access means you're harboring a terrorist." Or whatever, something like that. Sounds like it's from a movie but you get the point.

 

[Bald1]

I mean, yeah that may help? Probably would? But even if it's an aftermarket company doing it they're still susceptible to outside influence. If I start a company that installs these things aftermarket, my tech could still be hacked right? Or guys with serious creds show up at my business and say "Mr. Business, we are with DHS and we know you installed one in the car of Mr Bad Guy. This is a matter of national security. We can't say more, but we need access to it. An attempt to deny us access means you're harboring a terrorist." Or whatever, something like that. Sounds like it's from a movie but you get the point.

That's still a hell of a lot better than mandating every single car that rolls of the assembly line comes complete with outside controller abilities.

 

[mkess101]

That's still a hell of a lot better than mandating every single car that rolls of the assembly line comes complete with outside controller abilities.

Oh hell yes. A mandate is insanity. That's Orwelian type stuff.

 

[Bald1]

Oh hell yes. A mandate is insanity. That's Orwelian type stuff.

Well yeah, that's what this conversation is all about.

Trudeau froze at least one bank account without justification. He could have easily disabled all protesters vehicles if this tech was available to him. There was no national emergency, but a threat to his rule at best. Whether you're on the Trudeau or Trump side of the extreme fence just think about how the other would use such available means to fuck with their opposition.

Would you give Putin the power to disable your car and lock you inside on a whim? No? Then make the ability to do so illegal.

 

[mkess101]

Well yeah, that's what this conversation is all about.

Trudeau froze at least one bank account without justification. He could have easily disabled all protesters vehicles if this tech was available to him. There was no national emergency, but a threat to his rule at best. Whether you're on the Trudeau or Trump side of the extreme fence just think about how the other would use such available means to fuck with their opposition.

Would you give Putin the power to disable your car and lock you inside on a whim? No? Then make the ability to do so illegal.

Yeah no, I didn't read that the specifics were referencing some sort of mandate forcing manufacturers to install them. I thought it was just about whether the tech should even be available.

 

[Bald1]

Yeah no, I didn't read that the specifics were referencing some sort of mandate forcing manufacturers to install them. I thought it was just about whether the tech should even be available.

The tech is available. It's been available since just after OBD2 diagnostic ports were made standard. Somewhere in the mid to late 90s. It just wasn't a turn key option nor did we have infrastructure in place to implement it.

 

[mkess101]

The tech is available. It's been available since just after OBD2 diagnostic ports were made standard. Somewhere in the mid to late 90s. It just wasn't a turn key option nor did we have infrastructure in place to implement it.

It's honestly not something I ever paid much attention to until reading this thread LOL.

 

[brackis1]

I stand with my brothers in Law Enforcement

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I see more good then bad reasons. Prove me otherwise.
good: stop hi speed chase
good: stop phile from kidnapping children
bad: possible hacker could cause accident if car stops in intersection.

 

[Rematch]

It would be a helluva way to stymie and discourage protests and strikes. Imagine if the government would have had the ability to simply disable the vehicles of rail workers who are on strike against the railroads. It obvious with the actions that have already been taken against railroad workers by the government that such power would have been used against the working class.

 

[Bald1]

It's honestly not something I ever paid much attention to until reading this thread LOL.

The thing is, now that everything is tied into the grid it's just so much easier to do things remotely. You can tell your fridge to order milk, tell Siri to send money and all sorts of other shit Star Trek TNG never dreamt of. Fine, great, yippee!

But give the government such easy to abuse tools and guaranteed those tools will be abused.

 

[mkess101]

The thing is, now that everything is tied into the grid it's just so much easier to do things remotely. You can tell your fridge to order milk, tell Siri to send money and all sorts of other shit Star Trek TNG never dreamt of. Fine, great, yippee!

But give the government such easy to abuse tools and guaranteed those tools will be abused.

For sure. At this point, people have to know it too. They make the choice with their $ every time they get this new tech.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

Common sense would suggest this is to do with self driving vehicles but I suspect the CT outrage machine will run with this one regardless

For a day or two anyway

Everything's a "conspiracy theory" until it's confirmed as fact a month, six months, or a year down the line that they tried their hardest to coverup.

The psychotics of 2023 are the well-meaning, trusting people of 5 years ago that still trust the state and the propaganda machine after all their lies. Wake up.

 

[aerius]

The thing is, now that everything is tied into the grid it's just so much easier to do things remotely. You can tell your fridge to order milk, tell Siri to send money and all sorts of other shit Star Trek TNG never dreamt of. Fine, great, yippee!

But give the government such easy to abuse tools and guaranteed those tools will be abused.

There was a presentation a few years ago at one of the hacker conferences on how to hack a wireless butt plug and potentially use it to penetrate various networks. You don't want to know what they can do to the rest of our networked appliances & electronics if they really wanted to violate our illusion of security.

 

[Bald1]

There was a presentation a few years ago at one of the hacker conferences on how to hack a wireless butt plug and potentially use it to penetrate various networks. You don't want to know what they can do to the rest of our networked appliances & electronics if they really wanted to violate our illusion of security.

I believe it. Not in the sense of Penelope from Criminal Minds, but if there's a back door someone will find a way to open it. It's about preventing easily exploitable fuckery. I look at this the same as the border wall conversation. No, nothing is foolproof, but it's worth it to dissuade those easily dissuaded.

 

[Whippy McGee]

No.

The government was NEVER supposed to be involved in our lives to this extent.

 

[nostradumbass]

Waiting for the bill to propose installing toilet cams in every new toilet and say it's to prevent people from flushing drugs and shitting in urinals.

 

[aerius]

Waiting for the bill to propose installing toilet cams in every new toilet and say it's to prevent people from flushing drugs and shitting in urinals.

I say shower cams first to make sure people are showering properly and not wasting water.