Social Do you support government being able to disable your/others car on call?

[cottagecheesefan]

Not sure if accurately portrayed (all these articles cite the same thing), but a lot of mainstream outlets even reporting on this "kill switch" regulation buried into the Biden Infrastructure Bill.

some of the fact checkers argue that "of course the government doesn't have access to this required 'kill-switch' as they would have to go through appropriate channels, etc, to have access." But that of course can easily be bypassed as we have seen from other abuses of power.

But if accurate, do you support the government being able to turn off your's/anyone's car (regardless of the reason) as this is simply about giving them the option, because once the option is there, it COULD be abused.

I am against this, as I feel something like this could easily be abused both by government, private companies, bad actors/hackers, etc.

(I included multiple tweets to show multiple outlets are reporting this, disregard the actual twitter accounts hottake, if there is one)

 

[Richmma80]

Of course. The workaround is that the government will have the car manufacturers to do it in the name of safety. In case someone steals your car, you can disable it from your phone.

But the government would also ask the manufactufers to disable the car they want to stop. In high speed car chases, for instance. The local police department would call GM or Ford to kill the car they're chasing.

It could lead to Lamborghini to lock Kanye out of his car because he signed the contract when he bought it that they can do so for the safety of everyone else on the road and they can point to all his irrational behavior as justification.

If the republicans are in charge, an example would be to lock Hunter Biden out of his car for others' safety.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

sounds a bit like that proposal a few years back that cars won't start until you blow on some detector to see if you're not drunk.

but good ideas in theory we know are quickly illicitly transferred into a widening apparatus of centralized control that feels like it's encroaching on every aspect of human life.

it's nightmarish and dystopian and should be actively fought against. shit like this is indefensible.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Common sense would suggest this is to do with self driving vehicles but I suspect the CT outrage machine will run with this one regardless

For a day or two anyway

 

[Poon Goon]

Kill my car?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

If true, the downside could be a lot worse than the upside.

 

[genecop]

No, but I’m certain there will a few characters around here that can’t wait…

 

[cottagecheesefan]

If the republicans are in charge, an example would be to lock Hunter Biden out of his car for others' safety.

Or it could be used to lock you out of your car if you don't want to take an experimental "vaccine" thus a public health risk and/or if you have eaten too much meat for the month and have exceeded you CO2 emissions also a public health risk.

 

[Yehudim]

Depends who’s in charge

 

[fingercuffs]

Not sure if accurately portrayed (all these articles cite the same thing), but a lot of mainstream outlets even reporting on this "kill switch" regulation buried into the Biden Infrastructure Bill.

some of the fact checkers argue that "of course the government doesn't have access to this required 'kill-switch' as they would have to go through appropriate channels, etc, to have access." But that of course can easily be bypassed as we have seen from other abuses of power.

But if accurate, do you support the government being able to turn off your's/anyone's car (regardless of the reason) as this is simply about giving them the option, because once the option is there, it COULD be abused.

I am against this, as I feel something like this could easily be abused both by government, private companies, bad actors/hackers, etc.

(I included multiple tweets to show multiple outlets are reporting this, disregard the actual twitter accounts hottake, if there is one)

The murder guy who was on the run a year or so ago and got taken down in his truck because they intercepted his central computer, absolutely support.

I'm more worried about hackers intercepting a vehicle and causing terrorist vehicular atrocities I'll be held accountable for.

That and hacking my machine to put indecent porn I don't worry about constantly but still a niggling thing.

 

[Poon Goon]

That and hacking my machine to put indecent porn I don't worry about constantly but still a niggling thing.

Have you considered winding your neck in?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

sounds a bit like that proposal a few years back that cars won't start until you blow on some detector to see if you're not drunk.

but good ideas in theory we know are quickly illicitly transferred into a widening apparatus of centralized control that feels like it's encroaching on every aspect of human life.

it's nightmarish and dystopian and should be actively fought against. shit like this is indefensible.

I could be in favor of a drunk driver detector as that could be a self-limiting system or whatever and not given to an outside party so to say.

Even in theory, the angle of "oh it could prevent theft, etc" makes sense in an ideal setting, but then when you expand to pros and cons, it quickly changes to easily abused and risks out weight benefits. IMO at least.

 

[fingercuffs]

Have you considered winding your neck in?

Have you considered belting up?

 

[Poon Goon]

Have you considered belting up?

I always fasten my seatbelt. My car makes an annoying dinging noise if I don't.

 

[fingercuffs]

I always fasten my seatbelt. My car makes an annoying dinging noise if I don't.

You know you can turn that off, right?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

The murder guy who was on the run a year or so ago and got taken down in his truck because they intercepted his central computer, absolutely support.

I'm more worried about hackers intercepting a vehicle and causing terrorist vehicular atrocities I'll be held accountable for.

That and hacking my machine to put indecent porn I don't worry about constantly but still a niggling thing.

I am not familiar of the case you are referring to about th truck and/or the technology involved. However, in terms of the rogue SUV that ran over a christmas parade, I do not believe having a kill switch option would be effective in that scenario. First of all, it was already a complete fail of the court/judicial system that Brooks was even allowed on the streets at that time, and if there is no oversight at those levels, how can we expect someone to also be readily monitoring their car's AI that went rogue, then quickly get access to stop an accident like his rogue SUV taking over and framing him for the murder of running over 50 or however many people.

 

[Poon Goon]

You know you can turn that off, right?

Listen, I drive many different cars made by different manufacturers. I am aware of the options and in my personal vehicle turning that off is not an option. I drove a rental a few weeks back that wouldn't let me shift out of park without the belt buckled in. Plus wearing a seatbelt is a good decision.

 

[Confucamus]

I see the logic in it. In the event of a police chase or an Amber Alert, you could quickly end their means of escape and avoid jeopardizing the lives of civilians out walking in public. I think if a state can make a law that all registered vehicles must have governors, a kill switch is only a matter of time. State by state that could get rolled out.

Some serious concerns I'd have would be malfunctions or black market devices created by hackers. Imagine your kill switch activates in the middle of a snowstorm and you get buried. I really don't feel comfortable giving the government any more control than they already have.

 

[fingercuffs]

Listen, I drive many different cars made by different manufacturers. I am aware of the options and in my personal vehicle turning that off is not an option. I drove a rental a few weeks back that wouldn't let me shift out of park without the belt buckled in. Plus wearing a seatbelt is a good decision.

Idiots don't wear seatbelts. It's annoying when you have heavy things on the passenger seat and it starts beeping.
I don't need a reminder, it's second nature.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I see the logic in it. In the event of a police chase or an Amber Alert, you could quickly end their means of escape and avoid jeopardizing the lives of civilians out walking in public. I think if a state can make a law that all registered vehicles must have governors, a kill switch is only a matter of time. State by state that could get rolled out.

Some serious concerns I'd have would be malfunctions or black market devices created by hackers. Imagine your kill switch activates in the middle of a snowstorm and you get buried. I really don't feel comfortable giving the government any more control than they already have.

My thought is that in the police chase scenario it would not be readily implemented to be effective as something like that usually over in a very short duration. And given the supposed legal limitation, it would take too much time unless there were not the legal limitations, which are put in place as happy talk to mask how it would be abused

However, I could see big government abusing the constituation through a biased court system to create some legal bullshit to say there is a public health emergency, so we are assuming these emergency powers to gain access to this, that allows us to do something that you have no control over and can do nothing about. And if you complain, you get fired from your job and have to stay inside, bye.