do you rate Kamaru's legacy as greater than GSP's?

[OmegaRugal]

Legacy? No
Was he better prime for prime? Arguably

 

[BEATDOWNS]

in the welterweight division

Fuck No

 

[FilipEmoFights]

Usman would have probably lost to Rory tbh

 

[sabretitan]

2nd post says it all. Discussion should be Hughes or usman

 

[Neck&Neck]

Kamaru “The Back Temu GSP” Usman

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

No way. If he hadn't come unstuck against Leon in 2022, and had then put together another 3-4 solid wins on his unbeaten run after that, maybe there would be a serious discussion.

I do think head to head he would have given GSP a tough fight though, and obviously he is still fighting and just added another decent win to his resume so he could still potentially close the gap more with a late career run.

 

[Oz.Pride]

That's retarded.

 

[Prazeres]

I often think that title wins on their own aren't the absolute argument when it comes to greatness discussion like I see many people do, and I do think that the average level of MMA has risen over the years especially in lighter weight classes.

However what GSP did remains far ahead of what Usman accomplished. Being as uncharitable as possible he lost max 12 rounds in his entire career when he started fighting top 10 level guys as soon as his 6th pro fight in a 28 fight career.

Kamaru legacy suffered from the UFC matchmaking where he had to win a crazy amount of fight in a row to get to go against ranked guys and the ranking keeping old men highly ranked.

 

[chinarice]

Legacy? No
Was he better prime for prime? Arguably

Akin to saying prime for prime, arguably Izzy is better than Anderson Silva

 

[Adamant]

Not just no, HELL NO.

 

[muaythaibeast]

their really is no argument that someone is above GSP in WW right?

What would you be making the argument on? Number of defenses, no unavenged losses, retiring as champion regardless of how contentious the Hendricks decision was, level of competition are all GSP.
Even if we go on finishes, GSP has 4 finishes in title fights to Kamaru's 3, and only had 2 career losses total vs Kamaru's 2 in a row against one guy who didn't turn out to be great.
Kamaru also nowhere near as dominant. Didn't GSP win something like 25 rounds straight until dropping a round against Shields after an eye poke which the ref didn't see?

 

[Chagaev]

Thing is Colby&Jorge wins haven't aged that good and that's most of his record as a champ.

Not his fault really and probably he could've beat GSP on a good day.

 

[Lee Danger]

One can argue his bucky win was more impressive then his wins over jorge, colby, burns and woodley.

i think even that'll age badly.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

in the welterweight division

god no

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

usmans ground game sucks.

Usman sucks at doing damage on the ground and he sucks at submissions. he is only good at keeping you down and blanketing you

giiirrrrl periodt

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Very true, I could never remember him submitting anyone, I had to quickly look it up because I can't remember everything that happens, from memory I don't remember him tapping anyone, so apparently he has 1 submission win which was TUF. Thats really crappy considering how many times he's on the ground

Too busy drilling foot stomps to train subs

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Legacy? No
Was he better prime for prime? Arguably

sir take a lap

 

[OmegaRugal]

giiirrrrl periodt

Sounds the same of GSP. He would take down all his opponents again and again and finish … very few of them.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Lolol no

Basically in short, this

 

[SalvadorAllende]

LOL no.

Marty wasted a good part of his best years fighting Colby and Masvidal. Then he could not even get past Leon Edwards for fucks sake.