Do you believe the next president should fight for Obamacare?

My experience:
Before: Health insurance coverage was great.
After: Same coverage but price has been increased multiple times. Work has a HSA, before obamacare I'd have about $2200 "extra" each year. Now even with an increase in our HSA amount, I have a lot less "extra", only a few hundred dollars. So, the plan cost has increase 300% or something absurd like that.

My senior citizen relatives complain a lot about rates.
Most people I know if they talk about insurance/healthcare costs they are complaining about it being too damn high. On the other hand, no one ever really says, "Hey, Riddle, let me tell you about my great health insurance, it is really swell." Or ask me if I know of any cheap doctors.
 
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The gov't should setup cheaper places for medical care run by rookie med school graduates and some experienced guys and give them tax incentives to work for lower pay. Like Doctors Without Borders but within US of A.

Actually like Doc Hollywood Michael J. Fox movie.
 
gigantalor said:
Well, it's not as if someone promised us that our premiums would go down an average of $2500/year. Oh, wait...
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I remember he said that!

He should have said that his new health care plan would cost families $2,500 more per year. That would have been more accurate.
 
my options for insurance are absolute garbage. Basically I could get catastrophe type coverage for regular insurance rates. I'm healthy and am not in any high risk groups.
 
well when i was dirt poor it let me leech off all your hard earned tax dollars. so yeah it was great for me. i guess now that im not that poor it doesnt really matter to me if it continues (not to mention i dont want to contribute my own tax dollars for anyone else). but if i become poor again im all for it, just so i can leech off everyone again. :D
 
mcgoatp4p#1 said:
well when i was dirt poor it let me leech off all your hard earned tax dollars. so yeah it was great for me. i guess now that im not that poor it doesnt really matter to me if it continues. but if i become poor again im all for it, just so i can leech off everyone again. :D
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Obamacare premiums can make you poor fast!
 
Fawlty said:
That argument has never made a lot of sense to me. Besides the fact that money is an arbitrary instrument for trade and therefore has nothing to say about whether something should be a shared right (resources tell that story, and our health care resources are yuge), it's a matter of deciding what to compete for. It makes sense to compete for the best doctors, the best surgeons, the best preventive medicine, the best specialists, etc. It doesn't make much sense to me to compete for a family doctor. In fact it makes so little sense, the people who are the poorest barely have to compete for basic health care at all (unless they live in certain republican states). If we can share basic education, heavily share water and power, roads, etc., then it makes sense to share basic medicine.
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I didn't want to get too into it, but you took the time to write a good response so I must replay why I think healthcare is different.

My problem is the massive disparity between what someone may contribute and how much health costs they may incur, and the fact that some people do it to themselves and other have to foot the bill. Namely, fat people. They give themselves diabetes and heart disease and many other illnesses that are extremely costly to treat. Yet many of these fatties are on welfare was it is. They contribute nothing but can easily suck up millions because of their own poor choices.

I, who take care of myself and rarely go to the doctor, should not be footing the bill. Roads are fine. Some people drive more than others, but it's not a huge disparity. Water we pay for, so if someone is wasteful, they pay more. Same with power. If people had to pay more for using healthcare more, then I'd be completely on board with the government taking care of basic needs. But if people are sucking up millions of dollars and don't have to pay a dime, but the tax payer who takes care of his health does, that's bullshit. That's my issue with universal healthcare.
 
Senkoy said:
I didn't want to get too into it, but you took the time to write a good response so I must replay why I think healthcare is different.

My problem is the massive disparity between what someone may contribute and how much health costs they may incur, and the fact that some people do it to themselves and other have to foot the bill. Namely, fat people. They give themselves diabetes and heart disease and many other illnesses that are extremely costly to treat. Yet many of these fatties are on welfare was it is. They contribute nothing but can easily suck up millions because of their own poor choices.

I, who take care of myself and rarely go to the doctor, should not be footing the bill. Roads are fine. Some people drive more than others, but it's not a huge disparity. Water we pay for, so if someone is wasteful, they pay more. Same with power. If people had to pay more for using healthcare more, then I'd be completely on board with the government taking care of basic needs. But if people are sucking up millions of dollars and don't have to pay a dime, but the tax payer who takes care of his health does, that's bullshit. That's my issue with universal healthcare.
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That's already a problem and the excesses are already paid by taxes and charities (and the deficit too? I should know the answer to that but I don't). Our system backs up a line of people who can't afford preventive care and then dumps them into urgent and emergency care, which ends up being more expensive. Obamacare took some of that pressure off, but there are still a lot of people who are balancing basic health care needs with their monthly nut.
 
This is a pointless question.

If Hillary wins, she will.
If Trump wins, it gets repealed.
 
Fawlty said:
In short, basic healthcare needs to be a human right and our next president should work to that end.
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Senkoy said:
No, it shouldn't be a basic right. Health care costs money. If you can't pay for it, too bad. I'm not paying your hospital bills.
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I think these two posts are pretty reflective of how our society feels about it, which is why I think Obamacare was brilliant and needs to be defended.

We have major hurdles to a single payer system (politically, costs, etc.) but I do agree that we want to make sure everyone has access to health care. The compromise is a market based approach like Obamacare, which got millions of previously uninsured covered. It's a massive deficit reducer to boot.

Is it perfect? Nope. The next president should work on the problems but overall defend it.
 
Fawlty said:
That's already a problem and the excesses are already paid by taxes and charities (and the deficit too? I should know the answer to that but I don't). Our system backs up a line of people who can't afford preventive care and then dumps them into urgent and emergency care, which ends up being more expensive. Obamacare took some of that pressure off, but there are still a lot of people who are balancing basic health care needs with their monthly nut.
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Yeah, we already have a lot of that, and I don't like it. I think fat people jack up the cost of insurance because their medical needs cost more than what they put into the insurance, so companies have to increase the price for everyone to be able to afford them. So healthy people are paying a ton for insurance because of these people and I don't agree with that. Fat people should have to pay far more for insurance or anything illness brought about by their gluttony should be covered out of pocket. It would never happen, but that's what I think.
 
Went from "Free healthcare" to "Affordable healthcare".

They need to change the name again. This is the first time in our nation's history that citizens are being forced to buy a product from a private company, or be penalized by fine.

Get the fuck rid of it. This isn't even an argument.
 
First, there is no such thing as free health care -- I live in a UHC system and my yearly tax contributions probably meet and exceed what a lot Americans pay for insurance. The benefit is, if I lose my job / income - I'm still covered. The flip, if I was allowed to obtain the income I pay into health care taxes and invest that myself i.e my own safety net -- is would be able to buy coverage and it would be cheaper.

I think the biggest issue is division of interest in the US -- and that federal influence should be reduced for increased state regulation. Canada doesn't have a single payer plan -- it has 12 of them, each province determines how they handle heath care, what's covered and how to allot the funds -- furthermore, each province is allowed to opt out.

There's other issues like the quality of service, the inability to convince dr's to work in rural areas, the wait times and the saturation of the system

I think a lot of divide in the US is would be mitigated by giving states more autonomy over their affairs. You have a huge cultural, population and land divide -- trying to unite everyone into a neat box only results in...well, what you have now.
 
It helped me. I had really shitty insurance from work and I was able to get a better one from obamacare.
 
ripskater said:
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Period!

-Hussein Obama
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Nothing Obamacare did made that any less true than it was before it was passed, EXCEPT for the protection from BS rip-off plans that did not provide adequate health insurance, those plans were exposed and not allowed to keep taking money for nothing.
 
Senkoy said:
No, it shouldn't be a basic right. Health care costs money. If you can't pay for it, too bad. I'm not paying your hospital bills.
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I guess police and military protection should also come at the personal cost of its beneficiaries. How about that public library? Books aren't free so we should pay for it!
 
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