Do you agree with Firas Zahabi's flow training?

[PubliusVentidius]

I train everyday, I do high reps with low weights mostly, I prefer it to training hard just 3-4 days a week with heavier weights, it's more functional and doesn't wreck your body.

 

[Reason]

In interview he mentioned one dude, on which opinion he based on his training method.
And u are right,there is thousand researches.
So tell me why firas zahabi or wtf his name is thinks he found only way

Good question. I think that Firas has been at the cutting edge of MMA training for a decade and with that will come some arrogance, over self-attribution and confirmation bias. It's also a way to market your business. The same way they were fawning over the hammer massaging thing. It would make sense to do so when on the biggest platform available to him, but I do think he is way over the top with self-attribution.

 

[Reason]

I think the problem with low intensity training is the psychological aspect. Adversity is minimized and without adversity, the determination muscle weakens and atrophies. Unless there is a parallel psychological training methodology I see problems.

 

[fromTheAshes KoSkater]

PEd accusations BAN

Wasn't Arnold juiced to the gills?

 

[ZOD66]

Everything is better than Conor FAST training shit don't training running but drinking alcohol all year yes

 

[fromTheAshes KoSkater]

No, no and no.

For the layman this may be handy cuz VOLUME is better than killing yourself and then not going. But for athletes no, no and no.

You have to push yourself. Once again, Rogain is COMEDIAN not fighter, scientist, physicit, biologist or doctor

The whole point is you don't have to kill yourself every training session. Training must be fun and enjoyable. He said some guys go all in 3 days in a week. Then the next day wakes up sore and unmotivated. You don't need to run 5 miles everyday. Instead you could run 2-3 miles everyday and repeat it whole year. He says hard training causes injury. In the end your overall training time will surpass hard trainers. You've trained more without damaging your body and it's good for your health, career in the long run.

 

[kenetics]

He might say that, but every BJJ guy loves to roll. The reality is his knees and hips are destroyed. Rolling must be very painful.

I know a few people from renzos who are black belts and said he never really rolled much even before injuries.

He would roll with beginners and very light weight beginners at that. He likes to drill moreso then actually train live.

 

[vcmmafan]

I know a few people from renzos who are black belts and said he never really rolled much even before injuries.

He would roll with beginners and very light weight beginners at that. He likes to drill moreso then actually train live.

Then your sources are wrong. There was never a "before". He said he had a very bad pre existing condition and severe damage when he started BJJ in his late 20s. That's coming from Danaher.

" I entered the sport of jiu jitsu at 28 with an already crippled leg. I have slightly deformed patellas in my knees, which makes them extremely vulnerable to dislocation. In my late teenage years a final dislocation left me with a leg that was basically useless. Unfortunately the surgeon cut the tendon too short and it wouldn’t reattach." - Danaher

So it's a no brainer why he never liked to roll.

 

[kenetics]

Then your sources are wrong. There was never a "before" really. He said he had a very bad pre existing condition when he started BJJ in his late 20s. That's coming from Danaher.

" I entered the sport of jiu jitsu at 28 with an already crippled leg. I have slightly deformed patellas in my knees, which makes them extremely vulnerable to dislocation. In my late teenage years a final dislocation left me with a leg that was basically useless. Unfortunately the surgeon cut the tendon too short and it wouldn’t reattach." - Danaher

So it's a no brainer why he never liked to roll.

You going to tell me he never rolled? I just told you he did with white belts and light ones at that.

Don't understand what you are saying.

So he made it to blackbelt without ever rolling ? Lol

 

[vcmmafan]

You going to tell me he never rolled? I just told you he did with white belts and light ones at that.

Don't understand what you are saying.

So he made it to blackbelt without ever rolling ? Lol

Please quote where I said he never rolled.

I didn't.

 

[Davem10]

Firas isnt a smart guy, hes the guy with the ego wh believes he is smart

Just listen to him on Rogan, hes so simplistic and doesnt fully understand the things he talks about, he tries to sound smart but when pushed by Rogan he doesnt show any deeper understanding than the basic level

Even fighting, his supposed specialist area, go on his podcast and listen to his fight breakdowns, an average sherdog noob with 6 months watching fights could do a breakdown just as good, hes just uploaded the Conor Kabib one, its so rudimentary. I expected a lot more from someone lauded with such high praises

After listening to him for a while i do fully believe it was GSP who made him, and certainly not the other way round

 

[kenetics]

Firas isnt a smart guy, hes the guy with the ego wh believes he is smart

Just listen to him on Rogan, hes so simplistic and doesnt fully understand the things he talks about, he tries to sound smart but when pushed by Rogan he doesnt show any deeper understanding than the basic level

Even fighting, his supposed specialist area, go on his podcast and listen to his fight breakdowns, an average sherdog noob with 6 months watching fights could do a breakdown just as good, hes just uploaded the Conor Kabib one, its so rudimentary. I expected a lot more from someone lauded with such high praises

After listening to him for a while i do fully believe it was GSP who made him, and certainly not the other way round

This.

 

[Deleted member 290675]

Training to the point of failure every session is likely a product of widespread PED-use for years and years in sports. They allow you to work harder and recover faster and even make up for poor diet and lifting routines. Natural people just overtrain and end up injuring themselves (more often).

That said, you still have to train hard relative to what you're physically capable of. There's improving your work capacity and pushing your limits over time and then there's just dicking around.

 

[gb@Trumpski]

according to him you can't assume fire will burn things tomorrow. I wouldn't trust him that much because of his rigid weird train of thought

From memory, wasnt he saying we dont know anything except due to previous experience of it. So we ONLY know fire burns due to experience (ours or someone we believe) , it is not through any other way. We know a break stops a car not due to physic calculations, but due to experience (Physics allows us to turn it into final product)

 

[Rikishii]

The whole point is you don't have to kill yourself every training session. Training must be fun and enjoyable. He said some guys go all in 3 days in a week. Then the next day wakes up sore and unmotivated. You don't need to run 5 miles everyday. Instead you could run 2-3 miles everyday and repeat it whole year. He says hard training causes injury. In the end your overall training time will surpass hard trainers. You've trained more without damaging your body and it's good for your health, career in the long run.

It's totally depends on what your goals are and what stage of fitness you are at. And also what skill level you are in your chosen activity. To know what's most beneficial context is always required.

 

[QcChopper]

Johny Hendricks is a fan of the 70% intensity training.

 

[aerius]

When i was 13, I used to run on my own, whenever I enjoyed it, and thought i was a good runner.
I joined an elite running club, had a set training timetable, massively increased workload and hated every minute of it.
But my running abilities reached another level i never knew existed.
When i was 14, i started sparring mma with friends, whenever i enjoyed it...etc etc

You get the picture.
There's a reason why Thais train 8 hours a day in a gym with a metal roof, why cycling teams do 100s miles per week, and why wrasslers drill until they spew.

Former competitive cyclist here. It's not quite that simple. While we do rack up a ton of miles every week, the vast majority of those miles are at a pretty easy pace that most recreational cyclists can match without too much difficulty. There's usually only a couple days a week of hard training, usually a tempo day and an interval day, and even then we don't spend the entire ride on those days maxed out at redline. We spent around 70-75% of our time cruising around at 30-50% while recovering and working on our form, skills, and tactics, maybe 15-20% pushing a hard tempo at 90% or so, and only 5-10% going all out in interval or hill training.

As for Thais, well, I don't think you've seen Thais train. They train a ton of hours but once again, most of those hours are at a fairly easy pace. They're not going all out till they puke then getting back on the mats to do it all over again the way wrestlers tend to do. There are times when they go hard to work on speed & power but most of the time they're cruising along at an all-day pace to work on their form and get their reps in to build muscle memory.

 

[dittohead84]

Yes. It is relevant to becoming more skilled in technique heavy disciplines. This is not for bodybuilders or extreme endurance events. It is absolutley the right mindset for world class athletes in athletics. Well structured blocks of training sessions that are all focused on the movement for that specific event. Lifts in the gym tailored for that athletes needs, to certain running drills, medicine ball throws, plyometrics etc etc.

First you get the technique, then you get the power. Then you get the gold medal

 

[Deleted member 220895]

I 2 ingorant too have good opinin two sae he rong

 

[chuckleknuckle]

Former competitive cyclist here. It's not quite that simple. While we do rack up a ton of miles every week, the vast majority of those miles are at a pretty easy pace that most recreational cyclists can match without too much difficulty. There's usually only a couple days a week of hard training, usually a tempo day and an interval day, and even then we don't spend the entire ride on those days maxed out at redline. We spent around 70-75% of our time cruising around at 30-50% while recovering and working on our form, skills, and tactics, maybe 15-20% pushing a hard tempo at 90% or so, and only 5-10% going all out in interval or hill training.

As for Thais, well, I don't think you've seen Thais train. They train a ton of hours but once again, most of those hours are at a fairly easy pace. They're not going all out till they puke then getting back on the mats to do it all over again the way wrestlers tend to do. There are times when they go hard to work on speed & power but most of the time they're cruising along at an all-day pace to work on their form and get their reps in to build muscle memory.

You have never trained with a world ranked Thai and i doubt you have ridden in a race like the Tour De France.

The best in the world don't train like a 'competitive cyclist' or a club thai. The best in the world at anything train longer hours, harder as well as smarter than the club level people you are talking about.

As i mentioned earlier, analysis of world champions is different from analysing Joe Schmo. Watch any documentary about the training of the top athletes in the world, and their training regimes are always insane.

The moment they study the top athletes in the world and conclude that flow training works best, then I'll agree. At the moment all evidence points to the opposite being true for world class athletes.