Do wins in WEC hold equal weight to wins in the UFC?

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  1. Hespectfully

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    Specifically for lighter weight classes (125,135,145)

    UFC didn’t concurrently have these weight classes, and most of the top guys like Aldo, Faber, Cruz, and Barao were in WEC.

    When considering guys like Cruz and Aldo, shouldn’t their dominance in WEC have equal weight in terms of title defenses and win streaks? The best and only competition at that time was in WEC.
     
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    Lock this thread. One and done.
     
  4. GOATER

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    I rank Strikeforce wins over UFC.....Strikeforce was much tougher.
     
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    No but Aldos should!!
     
  6. King in the North

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    Yes, they’re literally the exact same divisions.
     
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    Turtlejuice Free Wang

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    Yes. WEC was the premiere organisation for lower weight classes, and the top fighters were straight transferred into the UFC to create those divisions.
     
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    pizzle Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    I don't count the WEC

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    I say no.
     
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    I mean if you beat Uriah you beat him, doesn't really matter the organization.
     
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    Aldo had 9 title defense streak not 7.
     
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    3 wins in WEC should be equal to 2 UFC wins

    3 WEC losses are roughly equal to 5 UFC losses
     
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    Yes, making Cruz have 5 title defenses and Aldo have 9. Sounds good to me.
     
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    Of course they do if UFC never even had those weight classes. If those guys were the best in the world then that's what matters. Not some stupid organisation.
     
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    Considering the UFC absorbed those divisions and made the WEC champs into the UFC champs, it's hard to argue they wouldn't. But for my calculations, I just use "UFC/WEC blah blah" to account for it.
     
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    Yes, that was the largest promotion for those weight classes at that time = the current UFC
     
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    Not entirely.

    A lot of great fighters in the UFC could have cut weight to fight more guys their size, but the pay was not the same. A lot of top fighters in the WEC. Ranked guys, were ranked top 5 in the world with records against nobodies in the Midwest Absolute challenge and the courage fighting championships.

    Someone was trying to make a stupid argument that Miguel Torres was a greater All time Bantamweight than TJ Dillashaw just yesterday because of his record of fighting ranked guys from the minor leagues who were ranked higher than guys TJ faced.

    Miguel Torres WEC record is 6-2, which is good, but not great. His wins in WEC come against :

    Chase Weebe, who was 2-2 in WEC. now you can praise up his 11-2 MMA record before this stating "He is ranked" but he was ranked against nobodies in the Midwest Absolute challenge and the courage fighting championships. Against men in a Men's league, he won a few and was crushed

    Yoshiro Maeda? Again, good in leagues like Pancrace(No closed fists) and DEEP, but in both call up's to the big leagues of Pride Bushido? He lost both 0-2 in Pride. In WEC? He won 1 and lost 2. In dream? He lost 5 and won 2.

    Manny Tapia? Good against Amateurs in KOTC. In WEC? 2 wins, 3 losses.

    Takeya Mizugaki? I consider him a good fighter. Gatekeeper level, but can't hang with the big boys.

    Charlie Valencia? his record was 12-5 before Torres and he was never more than a gatekeeper.

    Jeff Bedard? A can crusher from the minor leagues.

    He lost to Brian Bowles a UFC level gatekeeper. And Benavidez, who is a terrific fighter more on the level of what TJ faces regularly.

    TJ had defeated better competition, not can crushers.

    Rocky Marciano went 49-0 in boxing at heavyweight but is not considered in the same class as other heavyweights? Why? because his competition stank. So did Torres'
     
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    This is a question?
     

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