Do too many rules hurt modern grappling?

[kintana]

I just finished listening to cael sanderson's interview with Jim Rome about wrestling being cut. Sanderson said that wrestling can be simple for a non educated viewer to understand but there are too many rules today.

I have done 5 BJJ tournaments in my 4 years of training. 2 IBJJF tournaments and the other 3 opens. I got in trouble with one for not wearing a proper rashguard. To be honest it wasn't a rashguard but a UA shirt. Another one I had my Gi ripped during one fight. It was my second tournament ever after only 6 months of training and I got a friend to loan me his gi top but it didnt match with my pants. Luckily it was a open and the ref in the end said it was ok.

I listen to the podcasts especially inside BJJ talking about knee reaping or gi patches in wrong places and guys can't compete. This forum and youtube videos talks a lot about this as well.

Judo guys complain about to many rules hurting the sport. I think one recent thread talked about how the rule books got too long.

Rules are important to have organized event not a vale tudo match. Safety is important but when do you sacrifice the sport/art for the sake of putting in more rules to please a international committee or to increase viewership.

 

[Thrawn33]

Rules for safety are good.

Rules that restrict legit technique to make a sport more spectator friendly or keep its identity (wtf?) =bad.

 

[pheonix5]

I haven't competed yet but plan on it in the near future. One reason is the rules. I come from the,BJJ is a fighting art first and a sport second,point of view. One reason I know I will probably lose is, everybody says your first tournament is the toughest, but aside from that I'm going in to submit. I don't care about the point structure nor will I take a position to get points if a sacrificial sub is right there waiting. If I get points it's because the position lent itself for a sub attempt. It's sub or get subbed and I'm comfortable with either. Hallelujah, Amen! Where's the damn vodka.

 

[MagicWand]

keep adding rules and eventually bjj/wrestling/judo become no more than taekwondo

 

[Calibur]

I loved the openness with rolling.

Come as you are. Take any grip you want for as long as you want. Stand if you like, sit if you like. Any color is cool as long as you keep it clean.

Maybe the sleeves will be long. Maybe they won't be. Maybe the belt will fall off, maybe it won't.

In terms of grappling everything was okay. Now there are rules for the sake of having rules.

Tragic in my opinion.

 

[KarateFist]

I haven't competed yet but plan on it in the near future. One reason is the rules. I come from the,BJJ is a fighting art first and a sport second,point of view. One reason I know I will probably lose is, everybody says your first tournament is the toughest, but aside from that I'm going in to submit. I don't care about the point structure nor will I take a position to get points if a sacrificial sub is right there waiting. If I get points it's because the position lent itself for a sub attempt. It's sub or get subbed and I'm comfortable with either. Hallelujah, Amen! Where's the damn vodka.

sounds like you got your excuses all primed and ready to go

i'm all about teh sub bro!!!11

 

[youngsteinel]

Yes, the new international wrestling rules are GARBAGE. Everyone agrees on that. The boxing rules in the Olympics are terrible as well. I think they hurt both sports greatly.

 

[ElKarlo]

Reaping rules have made it so, I have no idea what really is reaping naymore

 

[shunyata]

I reap all the time in no gi.

Fuck the ibjjf.

 

[ElKarlo]

I reap all the time in no gi.

Fuck the ibjjf.

I feel that everything is reaping nowadays that involves the opponents foot in any way.

 

[lechien]

I am ok with the rules stuff.

But there is still to much reliance on ref interpretations.

IBJJF needs to make a lot more of videos.

 

[pheonix5]

sounds like you got your excuses all primed and ready to go

i'm all about teh sub bro!!!11

Yep, you got me pegged. Your ability to judge others is uncanny.

One thing I can say is I've never made excuses for losing. I've lost in kickboxing,boxing and wrestling matches. Yeah I got depressed for a couple of days because I knew it was my own fault. Went back and started working on the mistakes I made. Only thing worse than making excuses for yourself is a coach or family member making excuses for you. After a loss my boxing coach said one of the greatest things, "sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear get's you. Now you know what you need to work on." No fluff, no "you did your best" or "you just got tired" or "that ref didn't know what he was doing." No, I own up to my ass whippings sir. Can you do the same ?

 

[HIMBOB]

I haven't competed yet but plan on it in the near future. One reason is the rules. I come from the,BJJ is a fighting art first and a sport second,point of view. One reason I know I will probably lose is, everybody says your first tournament is the toughest, but aside from that I'm going in to submit. I don't care about the point structure nor will I take a position to get points if a sacrificial sub is right there waiting. If I get points it's because the position lent itself for a sub attempt. It's sub or get subbed and I'm comfortable with either. Hallelujah, Amen! Where's the damn vodka.

At the lower levels the scoring seems pretty fair to me.

Only rule I know I don't like is the reversal of side control bottom to top gets no points.

But otherwise it seems quite fair, Although it must be said I view BJJ as a type of fighting instead of an art and therefore being on bottom is losing unless you get the finish. More active guard players might feel otherwise.

Only had about 8 matches so far (5-3) but I've never felt I won when I shouldn't, nor lost when I shouldn't. Nor have I seen that in matches I have watched.

 

[lechien]

I haven't competed yet but plan on it in the near future. One reason is the rules. I come from the,BJJ is a fighting art first and a sport second,point of view. One reason I know I will probably lose is, everybody says your first tournament is the toughest, but aside from that I'm going in to submit. I don't care about the point structure nor will I take a position to get points if a sacrificial sub is right there waiting. If I get points it's because the position lent itself for a sub attempt. It's sub or get subbed and I'm comfortable with either. Hallelujah, Amen! Where's the damn vodka.

you should learn the point system and use it when you roll.

 

[TerrorSherrer]

Yep, you got me pegged. Your ability to judge others is uncanny.

One thing I can say is I've never made excuses for losing. I've lost in kickboxing,boxing and wrestling matches. Yeah I got depressed for a couple of days because I knew it was my own fault. Went back and started working on the mistakes I made. Only thing worse than making excuses for yourself is a coach or family member making excuses for you. After a loss my boxing coach said one of the greatest things, "sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear get's you. Now you know what you need to work on." No fluff, no "you did your best" or "you just got tired" or "that ref didn't know what he was doing." No, I own up to my ass whippings sir. Can you do the same ?

u seriously came off the exact way he mocked u, and lay off the biography bro

 

[Dirty Holt]

We live in an overly bureucratic society. This rears its head in sports as well. This is the reason why I like Dana White in regards to his management style. He isnt a politician or stuffy old guard. This keeps MMA as much no nonsense as it can get from his end.

 

[KarateFist]

We live in an overly bureucratic society. This rears its head in sports as well. This is the reason why I like Dana White in regards to his management style. He isnt a politician or stuffy old guard. This keeps MMA as much no nonsense as it can get from his end.

unfortunately, his end has very little to do with the rules in MMA, the unified rules are shit

 

[Dirty Holt]

unfortunately, his end has very little to do with the rules in MMA, the unified rules are shit

Exactly. And look at who makes the rules; A government bureucracy. Like I said, on his end he is about as least bureucratic head of a major sport as it gets. That is why I dont get why people my age still slam the guy. He is basically one of us, not some 65 year old politician.

 

[KGB256]

We live in an overly bureucratic society.

It's to be expected. The more complicated you can make things, the more you need management and oversight to make sure everything is done according to plan. Along the way, people can essentially carve out jobs where they don't have to do any real work. Don't think for a second that these guys aren't also eager to place themselves in a position where their opinion matters, even if their expertise on the subject is limited.

 

[crazyjames1233]

yes. just look at what happened to judo. its become some sort of patty cake slap fest with the occasional flop on your stomach. Modern wrestling has lost almost all of its submission holds.
I hope bjj never becomes an olympic sport otherwise the jerk-offs in the IOC will start raping it to try to turn it into some bastard version of wrestling.