Do less than half or more than half of grapplers train striking.

[teamventure09]

Ok so I'm curious to know if your average grappler also trains striking or has a striking background as well.
I know it would not be accurate to come up with a certain percentage of people who also train striking so I'm just wondering if it's about half or less than half or more than half.

All I know is back in the day I trained at an MMA gym and most of the grapplers also trained striking.

Got back into a BJJ gym last year and they had a striking program but half as many people attended the striking sessions than the grappling sessions.

Now I train at a gym that has cut out their striking program and I asked a coach how many people either train striking or have a striking background at that gym and he said only about half dozen.

 

[TheMaster]

Ok so I'm curious to know if your average grappler also trains striking or has a striking background as well.
I know it would not be accurate to come up with a certain percentage of people who also train striking so I'm just wondering if it's about half or less than half or more than half.

All I know is back in the day I trained at an MMA gym and most of the grapplers also trained striking.

Got back into a BJJ gym last year and they had a striking program but half as many people attended the striking sessions than the grappling sessions.

Now I train at a gym that has cut out their striking program and I asked a coach how many people either train striking or have a striking background at that gym and he said only about half dozen.

Grapplers globally? Probably less then 10%. Those dedicated to competitive Judo or wrestling, and the vast majority of hobbyists train their discipline and thats all. They have no reason or interest to do striking.

If you mean grapplers who train in an MMA gym or who train BJJ then the percentage would be a bit higher due to the historic association with MMA but even here with the popularity of sport BJJ being a thing now it would be less than it was maybe 10 years ago. Hard to estimate a figure but definitely way less than half, I would guess about 20% max.

 

[SummerStriker]

What is the threshold for "trains striking" and "grappler"? Do you mean grapplers with two years experience minimum, and who hit mitts once or twice a year? idk 90%?

 

[axe wound]

exactly half

 

[ChickenBrother]

Grapplers globally? Probably less then 10%. Those dedicated to competitive Judo or wrestling, and the vast majority of hobbyists train their discipline and thats all. They have no reason or interest to do striking.

If you mean grapplers who train in an MMA gym or who train BJJ then the percentage would be a bit higher due to the historic association with MMA but even here with the popularity of sport BJJ being a thing now it would be less than it was maybe 10 years ago. Hard to estimate a figure but definitely way less than half, I would guess about 20% max.

+1

If we're talking dedicated grapplers who consistently train striking say, at least 1 x week, it is way under 50% and agree even 10% sounds aggressive. This is pretty much only a thing at MMA gyms and more often than not, it'll be hobbyists who don't compete.

Unless you're specifically training for MMA, there's just no reason for a grappler to train striking. Competitors need to focus on their ruleset.

 

[teamventure09]

What is the threshold for "trains striking" and "grappler"? Do you mean grapplers with two years experience minimum, and who hit mitts once or twice a year? idk 90%?

I'm wondering grapplers who have had enough striking to be competent at it as well and still have the muscle memory to make it work.

 

[teamventure09]

+1

If we're talking dedicated grapplers who consistently train striking say, at least 1 x week, it is way under 50% and agree even 10% sounds aggressive. This is pretty much only a thing at MMA gyms and more often than not, it'll be hobbyists who don't compete.

Unless you're specifically training for MMA, there's just no reason for a grappler to train striking. Competitors need to focus on their ruleset.

I train both to make me well rounded for anything that happens while bouncing. I'm not that big for a bouncer just the bare minimum which is about 220 lbs. so I rely on skill when stuff happens at the bar.
Anyway, I appreciate your guy's answers this gives me more clarity on the subject.

 

[ChessJitsu]

by the time someone's a purple belt it's more than likely they tried at least one striking class but I'm not sure if that counts

 

[ChickenBrother]

I train both to make me well rounded for anything that happens while bouncing. I'm not that big for a bouncer just the bare minimum which is about 220 lbs. so I rely on skill when stuff happens at the bar.
Anyway, I appreciate your guy's answers this gives me more clarity on the subject.

That makes sense you'd want to be prepared for anything. And likewise for LEOs. But just curious - I've never bounced but wouldn't grappling be much more usable during altercations than striking? i.e. controlling angry drunk guy with wrestling and/or BJJ without hitting him? If you're having to unload with lefts and rights isn't that only in a true SHTF situation that's WAY past the point of being nice until it's time to not be nice?

 

[stevenandrew]

Ok so I'm curious to know if your average grappler also trains striking or has a striking background as well.
I know it would not be accurate to come up with a certain percentage of people who also train striking so I'm just wondering if it's about half or less than half or more than half.

All I know is back in the day I trained at an MMA gym and most of the grapplers also trained striking.

Got back into a BJJ gym last year and they had a striking program but half as many people attended the striking sessions than the grappling sessions.

Now I train at a gym that has cut out their striking program and I asked a coach how many people either train striking or have a striking background at that gym and he said only about half dozen Buy Mounjaro Online Overnight without prescription.

Can someone with a grappling background (BJJ, wrestling) become good at striking easier than a striker (boxing, kick boxing) becoming good at grappling?

State the reason for your answer and perhaps examples!

 

[teamventure09]

That makes sense you'd want to be prepared for anything. And likewise for LEOs. But just curious - I've never bounced but wouldn't grappling be much more usable during altercations than striking? i.e. controlling angry drunk guy with wrestling and/or BJJ without hitting him? If you're having to unload with lefts and rights isn't that only in a true SHTF situation that's WAY past the point of being nice until it's time to not be nice?

Throwing hands are equally needed at the bar because half the time it's a group altercation and you should be careful about going to the ground.

A lot of times when you bounce a group of guys and the numbers are even you get a potential fight with all of them outside. It only takes a beer or two to make someone want to fight.
We've had multiple group fights including twelve guys vs. Eight bouncers, or at least three, four, or half dozen guys.

Also we've dealt with gangs and weapons. We've had guns pulled on us or shots fired between rival members in the parking lot.

It doesn't mean you can never go to the ground though that happens as well.

 

[teamventure09]

Can someone with a grappling background (BJJ, wrestling) become good at striking easier than a striker (boxing, kick boxing) becoming good at grappling?

State the reason for your answer and perhaps examples!

Ok so a striking coach of mine who's background was pure kickboxing started training grappling at my first gym an MMA gym. He got good fast and would tell people his opinion that you can get good at grappling quicker than striking for most people. I tend to feel that way as well because I started training both around the same time and was confident with grappling before striking.
It could depend on the person though a fighter I know who's a feared striker in his division told me he's not as confident with grappling.

 

[ChickenBrother]

Throwing hands are equally needed at the bar because half the time it's a group altercation and you should be careful about going to the ground.

A lot of times when you bounce a group of guys and the numbers are even you get a potential fight with all of them outside. It only takes a beer or two to make someone want to fight.
We've had multiple group fights including twelve guys vs. Eight bouncers, or at least three, four, or half dozen guys.

Also we've dealt with gangs and weapons. We've had guns pulled on us or shots fired between rival members in the parking lot.

It doesn't mean you can never go to the ground though that happens as well.

Damn bro, that sounds like some serious shit. But do you HAVE to be unarmed? In a group altercation like that, what about a polycarbonate LEO style PR-24 or otherwise, a leather slapjack to bash numbnutz over the head to either put him out or dizzy him to the point of non-aggression.

 

[teamventure09]

Damn bro, that sounds like some serious shit. But do you HAVE to be unarmed? In a group altercation like that, what about a polycarbonate LEO style PR-24 or otherwise, a leather slapjack to bash numbnutz over the head to either put him out or dizzy him to the point of non-aggression.

We have a doorman at each door who carries and who has tactical training as well as a sleeper who hangs out with a concealed carry.
If there is a priority our doormen who carry will end up at the scene, like when those two bangers came back with a gun, they would have shot at myself and the other bouncer who bounced them, but our armed guys pulled their pieces and they changed their mind.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

I spent at least 15 years striking in karate, boxing and kickboxing

Only coming up to 3 years grappling. My local weights gym is starting a boxing club, so may do a session or 2 per week along with grappling
I absolutely love boxing way more than any other discipline, but being 40 and already being through surgery for an orbital fracture means I can't take it too seriously

Some light sparring and going on the pads with the insane cardio would be a blast

 

[thecoldbloodedone]

Can someone with a grappling background (BJJ, wrestling) become good at striking easier than a striker (boxing, kick boxing) becoming good at grappling?

State the reason for your answer and perhaps examples!

From my experience coaching MMA:

I used to find that grapplers can learn striking faster, as most people find grappling less intuitive than striking (when someone gets fouled in BJJ comps they often react by swinging punches ), but now I'm not so sure, its probably person to person.
I started as a striker so I'm able to teach that more efficiently, only a Purple belt in BJJ but my cage wrestling is right up there.

I would say that the discipline of someone's grappling backround is a big factor, Wrestlers tend to punch very hard, they are simply really well tuned athletes and engage their bodies really well in movements, plus footwork is easy for them to pick up.

BJJ guys are a mixed bag.
Gi guys are usually pretty scared of striking and struggle to balance or pivot, rather stiff and slower.

Most technical No-Gi guys understand concepts really well and are often more ambidextrous than people with striking backrounds.


Students with pure striking backrounds can have the body awareness to focus on picking up certain aspects of grappling really well, but the counter-intuitive reactions you need in higher pressure positions usually leaves them in a stalemate getting exhausted fast.

 

[TenderLoving]

I train both to make me well rounded for anything that happens while bouncing. I'm not that big for a bouncer just the bare minimum which is about 220 lbs. so I rely on skill when stuff happens at the bar.
Anyway, I appreciate your guy's answers this gives me more clarity on the subject.

LOL, minimum requirements to join Sherdog used to be benching someone like you.

Lot of grapplers not striking. Sucks getting hit in the nose. Ps TS I bounced for a couple of years without having to strike anyone

 

[teamventure09]

LOL, minimum requirements to join Sherdog used to be benching someone like you.

Lot of grapplers not striking. Sucks getting hit in the nose. Ps TS I bounced for a couple of years without having to strike anyone

What kind of town/bar was it?
You guys never had group altercations where some of you threw strikes?
I mean it depends on what kind of venue you bounce at.
See my post #11.

 

[joblessgrappler]

A decade ago I trained Kyokushin Mon and Thursday, and BJJ Tuesday and Friday, but money issues came, so after 3 years of KK, I stopped and focused on BJJ.

 

[TheMaster]

Nice to see a rare post by you, quality over quantity.

I know you didn't intend it, but LMAO at this part though.

BJJ guys are a mixed bag.
Gi guys are usually pretty scared of striking and struggle to balance or pivot, rather stiff and slower.

As the saying goes, "Hit a BJJ blackbelt, he turns into a brown belt. Hit him hard enough he turns into a white belt"