Do Fighters Try To Break The Bone?

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  1. Impetuous

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    I was just rewatching UFC 34 and at the end Frank Mir taps someone out with an arm bar and i know he's broken bones before and the guy he tapped out was holding his arm but didn't look in too much pain.

    So my question is does a fighter pull or hold as hard as he can where if you dont tap he's going to break it any second or do they show a little restraint cause they know the other guy is going to tap from the pain of just holding it firmly.
     
  2. UniqueSteez

    UniqueSteez Be water my friend. Platinum Member

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    If a fighter or grappling competitor gets an arm they are pulling as hard as they possibly can.
    My coach has accidentally broke his opponents arm in a grappling competition.
     
  3. Pierced7681

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    Depends on the fighter

    Mir will break it if you don't tap.

    Werdum for example let big nogs arm go when he screamed in pain.
     
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    This is pretty much it. You apply full force because you have to assume the other guy is resisting full force.

    At the same time, when he submits you let go. Really, what you do is that you don't always completely let go, but instead you keep the position and the grip and just relieve all of the pressure. That way the sub isn't being applied anymore, but just in case he didn't actually tap or the ref didn't see it, you can re-apply. This whole portion happens in about a second though.
     
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    As to the question, let's ask Paul Harris.
     
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    All you can do is follow through on the technique to the best of your ability. If you don't you could give some space for the opponent to escape. It's the other guys decision whether his arm gets broken or not.
     
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    Cormier tried and failed.
     
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    From what I know, youre supposed to pull/crank as hard as you can after securing position and usually the initial momentum can is enough to coax the tap.

    As long as youre not rolling, If your opponent dont tap then let it snap.
     
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    If you don't tap I'll broke your arm.
     
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    A broken bone is preferable to a dislocation or ligament tear.
     
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    It depends, are you American? if so going for the break makes you a badass, if not it makes you an asshole.
     
  12. brothir

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    At the same time
     
  13. dethmanrulz

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    They try to Break The Bad.
     
  14. yetanother

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    It's not that easy to break bones. To get some tough dude to tap you have at least to try hard.
     
  15. Mma Adiction

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    Well, if the other fighter don't tap, of course. They also try to break bones when they kick
     
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    Holy shit.
     
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    We should ask Paul Harris what he does.
     
  18. Zat Right

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    The whole point of jitz and how it's practicioners basically invented MMA is because it proved to be the most lethal 1 on 1 fair fight martial art. And it was "proved" to be so because all the lethal black belt striker maniacs from the most respected striking arts(karate, kung fu, even muay thai) in UFC 1-5 couldn't beat Royce(also because of Royce's incredible amount of heart, should be noted). And the way it proved itself to be so literally lethal/effective is that the techniques when practiced correctly wiLL immediately break your arm or leg or choke you unconcious if you don't submit. "UniqueSteez"'s statement basically saying that if you have the hold right in a competition and are at a high level the opponent's in danger of serious damage if they don't tap as soon as they know there's no hope of escape is a statement I agree with. Yet "Pierced7681"'s specific points about particular fighters Mir and Werdum also strike me as authentic factually. The only thing I'd add to the discussion is the phenomenon that so many high level recognized BJJ black belts openly state that they will "never tap" and they never do. And while that may seem foolish and prideful it is perhaps also part of why they are so lethal because there is no chance they will give up even if their arm or leg is mangled. High level athletes in all sports have unusual brains, habits, and tactics. It is what it is.
     
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    Depends.
     

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