Do experts bring Mike Tyson up in "greatest" conversations?

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  1. Tyler Durden Green Belt

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    Did you just compare Max Schmelling to Buster Douglas?

    and Tyson has always been mentally weak which is why he can never be compared with the ATG’s. The mental game is a huge component in this sport.
     
  2. defjaam Kubrat Pulev Belt

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    I didn't know that you can become the youngest heavyweight champion in history by being a mental midget. How many boxing fights did have again?
     
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  3. djacobox372 Gold Belt

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    You have to admit that stylistically Tyson is a very tough matchup for Ali. His fast hands and footwork would expose Ali's sloppy defense.
     
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  4. mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

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    he has similarities to the style that troubled ali, quickness, great left hook but Ali at his best just destroys him. Ali in the 70's does what he did to foreman after taking his best shots.
     
  5. Rationality Purple Belt

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    Foreman hit harder than Tyson and Ali just let him punch himself out and then KO'd him. Prime Ali had an incredible chin. I'll take him over any version of Tyson all day.
     
  6. Vader Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    I think Tyson actually beats pre-Vietnam Ali; he lacked the physical strength to keep a guy like that off him

    The Ali that beat Frazier in their rematch/Foreman beats Tyson
     
  7. mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

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    Ali was stronger in the comeback but that wouldn't have stopped him from beating tyson, he'd have beaten him easier with that movement and the nonstop combinations. The ali of the 70s, even the first frazier fight, dogged it for a good third of the fight, in the sixties he didn't have to do that. He prepared well and was in his prime. As far as strength, i doubt tyson was stronger than liston who they still tell legendary tales of. It's not a strength sport.
     
  8. defjaam Kubrat Pulev Belt

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    You said that Tommy Hearns lacked strenght in a different discussion we had. Now you say that strenght is a non-factor, because it doesn't suit your argument. C'mon dude.

    Tyson was stronger than an older Liston, not to mention he had better feet and overall speed. He was stronger and quicker than Henry Cooper, Karl Mildenberger, Ernie Terrell, Zora Folley, Joe Frazier, pretty much all of them... And it would be a factor.

    The Klitschko's would also be tough to beat for the headhunter Ali, as hard as it is to swallow for some.
     
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  9. mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

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    depends on the fight and the fighter, tommy was so damned weak in comparison to hagler that he couldn't do anything to get out of the way, ali would never have that problem in the 60's. Now, if tommy could have stayed on his bike for a while, which he didn't have the stamina for, (you know he had no stamina right?) he wouldn't have had to try to fight Marvin inside where he didn't have strength, he didn't even have power in close. So, strength, yes, a factor, Ali used his strength many times even though he isn't known for it, he clinched the hell out of liston and he also steered him and evaded him in the round he was blind, even though he wasn't fully developed. So, no, it's not a strength sport, it's just one factor among many and not a particularly important one. Ali was strong enough for what he needed to do.
     
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    How can you even call someone anything remotely close to “greatest” when they were at their prime, in their preferred weight class, they got their asses whooped and never avenged the loss?

    i can see situations like pacman, on one of his worst streaks, clearly out of his natural weight class, fighting and losing a decision to Floyd. That wouldn’t affect him in his legacy, I still consider Pac higher than Floyd in all time greats.

    But Mike has no excuse here, yea the whole cus thing but that goes with the territory, he lost in his prime to a nobody, went to jail, came back and got his ass whooped by Holyfield and Lennox (And others...)

    how do you even make a case for him?
     
  11. Hirashin This is not a profession

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    Tyson had the potential to rule till the year 2000. Too wreckles and threw away his prime.

    Tyson is nothing like Foreman though.

    exactly, Tyson was wild animal. When Cus died, Tyson went wil again and threw away his future. He could have done a lot more had he stayed disciplined.


    Nothing on Ali was sloppy. I think prime Ali outpoints prime Tyson. Nobody has an edge.

    If Douglas was such a bum, why was he fighting for the belt?
     
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    Tyson did everything better than Frazier. It isn't a stretch to say 1987ish Tyson beats Ali.
     
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    You don’t become youngest H.W champion and be mentally weak .

    Douglas would eat Max alive in a fight if you throw away nostalgia glasses unless he ate himself out of the fight and still would be a toss up . Buster had a great jab and long 83 inch reach and was a great boxer fundamentally , only laziness and family issues derailed his career besides what would be a prime Tyson who defeats him 99% of the time and Max ain’t Mike , those stationery heads would be target practice for .Buster . Little Max would be the bullseye getting popped from a far distance, no brainer .
     
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    With any other fighter having struggles in their life is seen as part of the game and not an excuse. Somehow with Tyson everyone wants to rank him based on their fantasy scenarios where everything goes perfect for him. Well that wasn't what happened in reality, was it? In reality he lost to the other great fighters of his era, and lost to some level legel guys as well. The resume just isn't there and it's illogical to say someone could have been the best, so they automatically are.

    That's why they fight, to out hypotheticals to rest and prove it. Tyson couldn't do that when it counted.
     
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    Why would anyone bring up the 3rd best fighter of the second best era of HW who lost decisively to his 2 biggest rivals, never avenged a loss, and who suffered the greatest upset in sport history?

    he’s lucky to even make any top 10 list
     
  17. mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

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    Not good intangibles, pressure and volume. No one beats ali fighting good for five rounds
     
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    the biggest thing that worries me about tyson vs ali is that leeping left hook, frazier landed that hook, henry cooper landed a hook that floored ali, leaning back wasn't the best option
     
  19. mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

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    that's a real concern, let's say tyson does get him down, can he keep him down or finish him? Even Joe was battering Ali with great punches after he put him down in the 15 and ali found it within himself to win the rest of the round. The guy would get up a better fighter each time he was put down, he was that special.
     
  20. Brandon Robinson White Belt

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    that is a genuine question, but it's also very possible in todays climate the fight would be stopped when he got up on shaky legs
     

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