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Why can't it be both? I'm thinking both for sure.
Dillashaw, Cruz, RDA are not skilled, they are just faster and more conditioned.
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Why can't it be both? I'm thinking both for sure.
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Who the fuck is Dom? Are you referring to Dominick Cruz? Because he doesn't hold gold right now.
Also, posting a "/thread" in regards to your own post is beyond dumb.
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What kind of dipshit actually thinks that?
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Please read that sentence and realise how stupid it is.
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Wow.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. This thread is actually pathetic.
TJ, Cruz and RDA are very skilled.
You should go watch boxing - or go listen to how Teddy Atlas breaks it all down, how to beat a quicker opponent with timing and such. You should go do some research.
LOL at saying Barao is more skilled than TJ - TJ's striking is better than him from a technical standpoint - his speed obviously does help him, but the way he moves is a big part of his game, movement is VERY important. There's more to being a good striker than just having power in your hands, dummy. That's all Barao had for TJ because he couldn't handle how TJ is able to move. TJ doesn't move like that because he's fast, idiot. He moves like that because he's fucking skilled. He trained that shit. Jesus fucking Christ, this is one of the dumbest fucking threads I've ever seen!
Yes, TJ has superior conditioning - we've seen Barao slow down before, but not like this. Barao slowed down worse than he did before because he was getting beat up. That effects your gas tank.
Oh, and LOL at saying how TJ didn't show great technique. TJ is all technique, LOL. My God, this is incredible! This is just too easy!
TJ didn't beat Barao because he's faster and more conditioned - he beat Barao because he's a better striker than him.
He cut angles around him, countered him, landed combinations and simply just beat him up. Look at the way TJ timed his jab against Barao, the way he would cut an angle to the right and throw the 1, 2, 3. The way TJ moves and the way he lands his combinations, that's not because of speed and better conditioning - that's skill and the fact you can't recognize that shows that you don't know what the FUCK you are talking about.
RDA didn't beat Pettis because he is so fast, very strong and good conditioning. He beat Pettis because he had a perfect gameplan. He pushed him to the fence, kept him moving backwards, kept him on his heels and neutralized most of his kicks because of it. RDA landed accurate lefts the entire time because he timed Pettis perfectly. Pettis' boxing is not that great, RDA took advantage of it.
He outclassed Pettis simply because he is better than him right now. RDA's striking has improved so much in the past few years. It wasn't speed, power and conditioning that beat Pettis - it was skill, technique and a perfect gameplan that beat him. If RDA didn't fight the way he did and chose to fight Pettis where he's comfortable (in the center) and at his pace, Pettis would've done a whole lot better and the fight would've been a lot different. RDA beat him because he is better than him right now. That's all there is to it. He outclassed Pettis with his smarts. Not because he is physically more impressive than him, lmfao. What a joke this is!
Cruz outclasses his opponents because they can't read his movements. Cruz did talk about how he has a certain rhythm, and you may watch his fights and see the way he moves, look at how he does and you will see it's actually not hard (not saying I can move like him or any of us, just that he has a certain rhythm he follows), it's just that you don't know where he's going to move and when. He lands punches and makes his opponent miss by cutting angles, moving in and out, timing his opponent's perfectly.
It's nothing to do with his speed and superior conditioning. Cruz has fought a lot of very fast guys and still outclassed them everywhere. He outclassed DJ everywhere, Faber, Benavidez, etc, and those guys are not slow. DJ is quicker than Cruz, Faber is more explosive, etc.
Cruz beats his opponents because he is better than them, skillwise. His movement is great and he lands a punch and makes them miss because he has superior movement and is just more skilled on the feet than them. Or, he times a TD PERFECTLY like he did against Mizugaki. Cruz's movement is his route to success - if Cruz didn't move like that, he wouldn't have been the champ as long as he was and he wouldn't have dominated the way he did. That movement is a HUGE part of his game - just like TJ's movement is a big part of his game.
TS, you should actually watch their fights. You should watch how they simply outclass their opponents because they are more skilled than them. It has nothing to do with the speed and conditioning - that definitely helps, but TJ didn't outstrike Barao because he is quicker and better cardio, he outstruck him because he is simply the better striker than him.
Cruz didn't dominate the BW division for as long as he did because he's quicker and better conditioning - he dominated because his movement is outstanding, his striking is better from a technical standpoint and he is a very, very intelligent fighter.
RDA didn't dominate Pettis and all his past opponents (his wins) because he is stronger, faster and good cardio - he dominated because he is a very intelligent fighter. He knows how to use their weakness against them. He beat Pettis because he had the perfect, PERFECT gameplan.
If you can't see the skill these guys possess, then you are just proving that you don't know ANYTHING about MMA. These guys are fucking amazing at what they do and they are insanely skilled. They aren't the best because of their physical attributes and all of that, they are the best because they worked hard and they are very smart fighters. TJ and Cruz's movement is unbelievably good - that doesn't come because of speed and cardio, that's pure skill, through hard fucking work.
Stop talking. You're just going to embarrass yourself more than you already have. You have no idea what you're talking about and the fact you don't see how skilled these 3 are, man, just fucking ridiculous on your part.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. This thread is actually pathetic.
TJ, Cruz and RDA are very skilled.
You should go watch boxing - or go listen to how Teddy Atlas breaks it all down, how to beat a quicker opponent with timing and such. You should go do some research.
LOL at saying Barao is more skilled than TJ - TJ's striking is better than him from a technical standpoint - his speed obviously does help him, but the way he moves is a big part of his game, movement is VERY important. There's more to being a good striker than just having power in your hands, dummy. That's all Barao had for TJ because he couldn't handle how TJ is able to move. TJ doesn't move like that because he's fast, idiot. He moves like that because he's fucking skilled. He trained that shit. Jesus fucking Christ, this is one of the dumbest fucking threads I've ever seen!
Yes, TJ has superior conditioning - we've seen Barao slow down before, but not like this. Barao slowed down worse than he did before because he was getting beat up. That effects your gas tank.
Oh, and LOL at saying how TJ didn't show great technique. TJ is all technique, LOL. My God, this is incredible! This is just too easy!
TJ didn't beat Barao because he's faster and more conditioned - he beat Barao because he's a better striker than him.
He cut angles around him, countered him, landed combinations and simply just beat him up. Look at the way TJ timed his jab against Barao, the way he would cut an angle to the right and throw the 1, 2, 3. The way TJ moves and the way he lands his combinations, that's not because of speed and better conditioning - that's skill and the fact you can't recognize that shows that you don't know what the FUCK you are talking about.
RDA didn't beat Pettis because he is so fast, very strong and good conditioning. He beat Pettis because he had a perfect gameplan. He pushed him to the fence, kept him moving backwards, kept him on his heels and neutralized most of his kicks because of it. RDA landed accurate lefts the entire time because he timed Pettis perfectly. Pettis' boxing is not that great, RDA took advantage of it.
He outclassed Pettis simply because he is better than him right now. RDA's striking has improved so much in the past few years. It wasn't speed, power and conditioning that beat Pettis - it was skill, technique and a perfect gameplan that beat him. If RDA didn't fight the way he did and chose to fight Pettis where he's comfortable (in the center) and at his pace, Pettis would've done a whole lot better and the fight would've been a lot different. RDA beat him because he is better than him right now. That's all there is to it. He outclassed Pettis with his smarts. Not because he is physically more impressive than him, lmfao. What a joke this is!
Cruz outclasses his opponents because they can't read his movements. Cruz did talk about how he has a certain rhythm, and you may watch his fights and see the way he moves, look at how he does and you will see it's actually not hard (not saying I can move like him or any of us, just that he has a certain rhythm he follows), it's just that you don't know where he's going to move and when. He lands punches and makes his opponent miss by cutting angles, moving in and out, timing his opponent's perfectly.
It's nothing to do with his speed and superior conditioning. Cruz has fought a lot of very fast guys and still outclassed them everywhere. He outclassed DJ everywhere, Faber, Benavidez, etc, and those guys are not slow. DJ is quicker than Cruz, Faber is more explosive, etc.
Cruz beats his opponents because he is better than them, skillwise. His movement is great and he lands a punch and makes them miss because he has superior movement and is just more skilled on the feet than them. Or, he times a TD PERFECTLY like he did against Mizugaki. Cruz's movement is his route to success - if Cruz didn't move like that, he wouldn't have been the champ as long as he was and he wouldn't have dominated the way he did. That movement is a HUGE part of his game - just like TJ's movement is a big part of his game.
TS, you should actually watch their fights. You should watch how they simply outclass their opponents because they are more skilled than them. It has nothing to do with the speed and conditioning - that definitely helps, but TJ didn't outstrike Barao because he is quicker and better cardio, he outstruck him because he is simply the better striker than him.
Cruz didn't dominate the BW division for as long as he did because he's quicker and better conditioning - he dominated because his movement is outstanding, his striking is better from a technical standpoint and he is a very, very intelligent fighter.
RDA didn't dominate Pettis and all his past opponents (his wins) because he is stronger, faster and good cardio - he dominated because he is a very intelligent fighter. He knows how to use their weakness against them. He beat Pettis because he had the perfect, PERFECT gameplan.
If you can't see the skill these guys possess, then you are just proving that you don't know ANYTHING about MMA. These guys are fucking amazing at what they do and they are insanely skilled. They aren't the best because of their physical attributes and all of that, they are the best because they worked hard and they are very smart fighters. TJ and Cruz's movement is unbelievably good - that doesn't come because of speed and cardio, that's pure skill, through hard fucking work.
Stop talking. You're just going to embarrass yourself more than you already have. You have no idea what you're talking about and the fact you don't see how skilled these 3 are, man, just fucking ridiculous on your part.
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^ troll got you a little worked up eh?
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if you hold MMA technique to the standard you apply for boxing of course it looks bad you fucking moron.
They're different sports.
Dillashaw, Dos Anjos, Cruz, all have elite level MMA skills.
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lmao
Bro u regurgitated the same incoherant crap 3 times in a wall of text.
This was your argument. "Blah blah blah Cruz, RDA, Dillashaw were better because they were more skilled blah blah blah". You didn't even give a proper technical analysis.
Dillashaw movement 3/4 of the time is just him hopping around tiring out his calves. He wins despite this extremely uneconomical footwork because he has a good gas tank. Same for Cruz. RDA simply had the quicker hands. His looping and haymaker punches against Pettis was simply faster, but technically terrible. That was why he broke his hand throwing sloppy punches without putting snap and pivot in. Pettis on the other hand was displaying technical masterpiece.
