Dilema of conscience regarding no-gi ezequiel =(

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by NovaUniaoWesty, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. NovaUniaoWesty

    NovaUniaoWesty Yellow Belt

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    Everytime I use this technique I feel shitty knowing that I used poor technique and power moves on someone:redface:

    However...

    It works so damn well against someone with good defense from the mount and opens up so many great opportunities.

    How does sherdog vote the no-gi ezequiel?

    Yay or Nay?
     
  2. UpaLoompa

    UpaLoompa Grand Quasiprophet of the Sakaran Apocolyps

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    You mean a paper cutter or baseball variation? An ezequil relies directly on sleeves.
     
  3. Dead Roman

    Dead Roman Orange Belt

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    I dunno what your talking about, but... A win is a win... and NOGI is not BJJ. Nogi is about submitting or out pointing the other competitor. If you sub them you sub them ans thats that.
     
  4. Auspex

    Auspex Brown Belt

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    For fucks sake. Not this shit again. Do the gracies that teach bjj as a form of self defense expect you to walk around in a goddamned gi all day? Of course the fuck not!!
     
  5. mmathurbator

    mmathurbator Blue Belt

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    No, but you probably walk around in CLOTHES, you know, similar to a gi.
     
  6. Dead Roman

    Dead Roman Orange Belt

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    wow bro, why dont you fuckin calm down. Nogi Isnt college wrestling, sambo, catch wrestling, or any other grappling art either. Its a fair arena where all those disciplines can be applied. All im saying is there is no reason to let the " Flawless technique before strength" mantra of BJJ to hinder his nogi game, cause that just isnt what nogi is about. Just go in there and kick ass.



    Whiney bitch.
     
  7. Bebop

    Bebop Brown Belt

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    no, i like walking around in form-hugging shirts and board shorts at all times =p
     
  8. elbigsam

    elbigsam Blue Belt

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    I'm all for it.
     
  9. radscorpion

    radscorpion White Belt

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    Are you talking about the fist choke? I don't really think it's poor tech or out muscling, it's kind of rough for the chokee though.
     
  10. Auspex

    Auspex Brown Belt

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    I'm drinking now so I'm no filtering myself. Apologies in advance

    I'm a judo guy with a gi background so don't start with me on this shit. I've been around longer than most of you noob schmucks have heard about Gracie jj.

    Unless you live in siberia your jacket doesn't resemble anything you'd wear out to parties. You'll rip my skin tight tapout shirt off before you choke me with. Sure as shit aren't gonna try to throw anyone with it

    Whether I'm buck naked fending off your dad after running the gauntlet on your sisters or dressed like 007 if I apply said strategies/principles from said art then I'm sure as shit practicing that art
     
  11. redaxe

    redaxe Silver Belt

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    fuck you guys for starting the gi vs no-gi debate again

    no-gi ezekiel/knuckle choke is fine, but it's very hard to finish on anyone who knows what he's doing and is anywhere near your size. It's more useful for making your opponent panic and forcing him to move around in the hopes that he makes a mistake and you can catch him with something else.
     
  12. Auspex

    Auspex Brown Belt

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    If I'm gonna make an ass of myself I might as well talk about the technique in question.

    I like to throw this one out there with no expectation to hit, but more as a scare tactic to set other moves up

    Btw I'm not a bjj guy, WTF is an Ezekiel choke. :)
     
  13. radscorpion

    radscorpion White Belt

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    sode guruma jime I believe
     
  14. CyberFreq

    CyberFreq Blue Belt

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    The throat crush is a legit technique. Will people hate you for it? Yes. Does it win matches? Yes.
     
  15. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    Regardless the debate that NOGI is not BJJ.

    In the case of the TS, looking at his name Novaunio leads me think that he train in a BJJ school that roll in without gi but still train BJJ.

    Well anyway, from experience the nogi ezekiel from mount can be considered a neck crank as well.

    So do not get surprised if you get some angry training partners if they do not train under the rule of neck cranking is legal.
     
  16. Brian2

    Brian2 Blue Belt

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    I live in a rather warm climate, constant shorts and shirts that breathe (shirts that rip and have short sleeves) so how is training no-gi bad for self defense?
     
  17. joe90210

    joe90210 Blue Belt

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    nope, that shirt will put you to sleep before it rips
     
  18. Auspex

    Auspex Brown Belt

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    I'm 5'9" 175lbs but walk around in an childs 36mos size...

    BOOYAH.

    or not.
     
  19. sanchezero

    sanchezero Green Belt

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    when i think 'nogi ezequiel' i think of eric paulson's fist choke. while i don't go for this a lot (much rather attack from S mount) i do hit it when guys are really rowdy from the bottom and i don't feel safe unless i'm huggin'em.

    that said, i take my time and don't muscle it anyway. just be patient, take space incrementally and be willing to switch off to the arm triangle if their defense presents it.
     
  20. Shemhazai

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