Difficulty clearing knee from top half

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  1. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Latex Salesman

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    Against opponents with significant skill and experience, I often find trouble in clearing the knee of a "good" half guard in order to pass, or work. Specifically, they are playing a smart, shallow half, with excellent control with the top knee to hinder the pass.

    In order to attack and pass, I have to clear that knee. Any tips?

    Without clearing the knee, I have success in taking an overhook, and cutting perpendicular to their body, before coming to north/south. There is risk of them shucking me and working to the back.

    To lesson back risk, I've used an underhook in similar fashion, but have been the victim of omoplata attacks and sweeps to an extent that I am not a big fan.

    I have tried to limit the sweep risk of clearing the knee by switching my hips and attempting to come to a reverse scarfhold, but when the opponent keeps a good half I am unable to free my trapped leg after switching hips.
     
  2. MonkeyNuts!

    MonkeyNuts! Rear Naked Poker

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    head and arm control, shoulder pressure

    if youre doing gi, wrap them up with the skirt
     
  3. HuntingtonBeach

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    put your free knee on there sternum and pull your trapped leg out... u must have a good base to do this or your gonna get swept.
     
  4. easy tiger

    easy tiger Blue Belt

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    If he's playing half guard with the knee in, scissor pass.
     
  5. ThaiClinch13

    ThaiClinch13 Blue Belt

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    I was having a huge problem with this in my last class. Eventually I just spun for a kneebar and tapped the guy out. After one of the higher belts showed me this reall cool pass. What you do is catapault yourself to the side where you leg is trapped. Kepp your arm locked, and a distance away so you don't get reversed, but keep pressure. From there it is fairly easy to pry your leg out with your free leg. I tried it and after the first couple of times nearly had it. The issue is if you relieve pressure you will be reversed. Also, if you're slow they can get full guard.
     
  6. TacWar

    TacWar Green Belt

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    I think I'm understanding you and know which pass you are talking about, but re read what you wrote and see if you can edit it to make it a bit more coherent, while I think of a way to do the same.
     
  7. -Montanha-

    -Montanha- Blue Belt

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    I like to do this
    <a href="http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee250/Montanha65/?action=view&current=162.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee250/Montanha65/162.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    But I usually stop at the 4th frame and attack with this one
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  8. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Latex Salesman

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    I appreciate the replies.

    I feel I have not properly expressed the position.

    This is the closest picture I could find.

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    The knee I wish to clear is diagonally cutting across my chest like so: /_

    The feet of my opponent are open or closed, but are located between my knee and hip.

    I wish to get past the blocking knee, either attaining a flattened and deep half guard (top) or to safely give an opening to switch my hips and pass/cut my knee and pass.

    [​IMG]
    Here the top grappler's hip has cleared the defensive knee.
     
  9. -Montanha-

    -Montanha- Blue Belt

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    In that case, lean foward over his knee and put your weight to flatten his knee/leg down while sprawling. Reach around his legs just below his butt trapping his legs together, and coutinue your sprawl. Keeping your weight and gtip on his legs the distance created from the sprawl will free your trapped leg and secure him to the mat to insure the ability to pass.
     
  10. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yeah, this is the "Z guard." The only thing I would add in passing it is you have to move back a bit in order to do the pass, then you pass it very similar to how you would pass a "scissors guard" position. If you keep pushing forward into it, it doesn't work that well.
     
  11. -Montanha-

    -Montanha- Blue Belt

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    Good observation, its early in the morning and I left out moving back some. Thanks for that addition Zankou.
     
  12. Calibur

    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    Passing the Z-mount could be a sub forum of its own. I've pretty much got the sprawl pass down, but Im curious what my options with my arms are.

    Usually, my crossfacing arm is controlling my opponents paw arm/sleeve. What could my other arm be doing? Sometimes I thread it between the opponents legs. Sometimes I grab the back of the belt to finish the sprawl.

    Also, how do I keep/threaten the opponents bottom leg stationary? Many times when I begin a pass that is working, the opponent will shrimp a bit and replace guard leaving me really broken down.

    I appreciate any advice. I think this is the only guard I have consistant problems with it. White belts make me look stupid while using Z-guard.
     
  13. IChinaManI

    IChinaManI Green Belt

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    Won't it be easy for the guy on bottom to release his halfguard and bridge into a reversal?
     
  14. -Montanha-

    -Montanha- Blue Belt

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    Nope
     
  15. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

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    I agree, once top man is over there's no easy escape. There is a reversal available as he switches but it is extremely timing sensitive.

    OP - a wrestler's cradle can be effective against the Z guard. Grasp your hands around his head and leg. Drive your weight forward over their head, so that their shoulders are pinned to the mat. While maintaining this "pin" position work your leg out from between theirs. As their knee drops roll down into side guard.
     
  16. Calibur

    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    The cradle has crossed my mind, but what can you do to prevent them from working in a triangle choke?
     
  17. WildCard

    WildCard Blue Belt

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    Get the underhook and flatten them out try and get your head under their chin and have them on their back.
     
  18. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

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    Overhook the leg and head for the cradle. There should be no threat of a triangle as one leg would be under your arm and the other between your legs.
     

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