Diet: Some one who knows, help

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by Drafty, Jan 11, 2006.

  1. Drafty

    Drafty White Belt

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    Long time lurker, finally registered, just because I need this help. For over the last 6 months I have been trying to gain weight to no adue. I have been bustin' it in the gym as well too like never before. My current stats are: 5'6"-7", *goes to scale* 140.2 lbs, stout for my size, strikers build(not lanky though). Anyways here are my past diets that have failed:

    1:) Huge calories diet -

    9:00: Full Meal 1 - Sausage/Egg/Cheese biscuit, tater-tots, drk. choc. milk, 1270 cals.
    11:30-45: Half Meal 2 - Sausage/Egg/Cheese biscuit, drk. choc. milk again, 1090 cals.
    2:00: Snack 1 - Whey Pro. or Creatine or Weight Gain supplement according to day, + drk. choc. milk: 740-1140 cals.
    4:00: Lunch, Meal 2 - Some hamburger or philly chesse steak: 700 cals., drk. choc. milk, 1140 cals.
    7:00: Full Meal 3 - Varies, reg milk - ? cals.
    9:00: Workout Time
    After Workout: Supplements(Pending)
    10:30: Snack: 2: Weight Gain + Reg. Milk
    11:00: Bedtime

    Summary: 4250-5000ish cals. a day. Did gain someweight, but eventually developed a beer belly(prob. from the many carbs. from drk. choc. milk.)

    After not good enough gains(5 lbs. at most.) & devoloping a beer belly, I changed to this:

    2:) Lesser than before diet:

    Practically the same as above except stop drinking drk. choc. milk. & changed my 11:30-45 meal. Also stopped taking weight gainer.

    Summary: 3300-3600 cals. now. Not seeing much weight gain.

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    Now, someone please help craft me something that will actually work & not give me a really fat belly. I need specifics! I don't know aht I'm doing wrong. I eat the exact same thing everyday(yes, this sucks, but whatever. Only way I know how to stay consistant). Thanks for dealing with the long post. Appreciate any help.
     
  2. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I can't even bring myself to type what all is wrong with this. There's just too much. My advice is read everything you can find in this forum regarding bulking. My God. You're headed for a WORLD of health problems if you're eating like this every day.
     
  3. jkuhlmann

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    if you're not sure if you should eat something, rub it on a piece of paper....if the paper becomes clear, its your window to weight gain.
     
  4. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I don't know if this thread is the right place for this kind of joke, but honestly when I read over this guy's eating regimen all I see is arterial blockage, and diabetes if it continues for too long.

    There's NO reason to eat foods that are high in fat, cholesterol, and sugar to gain weight. None. In-fact for people with a high metabolism this could actually work against them, which would be why they don't see significant gains despite eating this sort of calorie dense yet mal-nutritious foods.

    You'd be better served with more whole grains, leafy greens, leaner proteins, and better sources of dietary fats. There's been about a billion threads on this though. Which is why I suggested just reading through the forum sometime regarding bulking threads. There's much better alternatives that will put on the weight and not end you up with a laundry list of medical problems.
     
  5. guardianqdao

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    too much meat and cheese. more veggies
     
  6. Drafty

    Drafty White Belt

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    I am currently under the impression that my diets really sucked. Go figure I didn't make much gains. Any more advice guys to help COMPLETELY change everything about how/what I eat. I have read plenty but a lot of the time I read the same things: eat full meals every two hours throughout the day, get around 1.5x-2x your bodyweight in protein, lift big, take in a lot of calories, if you're not getting bigger, you're not eating enough. Well, technically my diets did have all that covered. So, forgive me for my ignorance. These threads I read all say pretty much the same things. So, someone break it down for me like it REALLY is. I have followed the advice I have read. Help me. I do search, I do read. I am still lacking. BTW, thanks for the opinions already guys & the useful information. I've got a lot of things I need to change. *goes off to research.read some more*
     
  7. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    There should be more threads around here that break it down further than big calories and big weight to make gains. But basically your diet is completely devoid of nutrients at some levels. You're intaking mostly fat and sugar, which by nature, if you have a fast metabolism you burn that kind of shit up pretty easy anyway, hence...no gains. Here's some basic tips that should help:

    1) Stick to complex carbs mainly. Whole grain breads, oats, brown rice, sweet potatoes. They take longer to digest and break down. So their nutritional content will go a bit further.

    2) Try to get leafy greens (lettuce, broccoli, collards, kale, spinach, all of these work) at least 3 times a day. Reason being is because they're excellent at controlling the thyroid, regulating it. Thyroid controls the metabolism, meaning your metabolism will function a bit better and you'll store weight easier.

    3) You should be getting GOOD fats, not just any fat. Best sources of good fat = fish, almonds, egg yolks, etc. What you're specifically looking for is foods rich in the omega fats, or healthy saturated fats. Seems like you're overloading on the unhealthy saturated fats, which isn't necessary. Lay off the whole milk and cheeses.

    4) LEAN protein. You don't just gobble down meat. Stick with lean meats. Leaner cuts of beef, white meat chicken and turkey, fish, etc.

    5) Rather than use a weight gainer that's high in sodium and sugar, you should probably use one that's less so. You could use Muscle Milk as a better protein, but if you're determined to use a weight gainer that's high calorie the ones I usually recommend are Cytogainer, Up Your Mass by MHP, or Serious Mass by Optimum Nutrition. The numbers on these are better fovorable.

    6) If you must have sugar get it from like fruit and honey, rather than using processed sugar. It'll do you much better.

    Now if you take these tips and construct something for yourself that's calorie dense and at the same time nutritious, you'll see the results. Also, I hope your rest cycles are healthy. You won't see significant gains only getting 4-5 hours sleep per night.
     
  8. KOU In3

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    Okay, since you're reading some back threads I'll chime in. If I had to only make a few points I'd reduce it to this.

    1) Shoot for about 150 grams of protein per day. That should be easily attainable for you and sufficient to build muscle on.

    2) You're looking for a caloric surplus of about 500 (hundred) cals per day to build bulk (muscle with some fat). When you were noticing the gut before, chances are it was because you were in too big of a caloric surplus. Your body can only build muscle so fast. It takes time. However, you can pack on the fat as fast as you can eat the calories. In general, if you are gaining faster than a pound a week you are adding a pretty high percentage of fat. Adjust your calories back by a few hundred per day.

    3) Building real muscle and quality bulk takes consistency over time. Random big meals one day and average food intake on others is only going to promote fat storage.

    4) Focus on whole food. Use supplements as supplements. Not as a replacement for food and meals.

    Maintain a caloric surplus (if you are maintaining weight, take your current caloric intake and add 500 cals per day to start). Consume adequate protein (for you about 150 grams of protein per day). Lift heavy. Make sure to take days off of lifting (but not eating) to recover.
     
  9. LCDforMe

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    What do you mean by your metabolism will function a bit better and itll help him store weight easier. Say I wanted to lose weight, would eating a bunch of greens help my metabolism function in a way that burns more fat or should I not eat greens at all if I was trying to lose weight? I guess what I'm asking is, could you re-explain the part about how eating greens works with metabolism?
     
  10. Grady

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    A lot of what KK said goes for healthy eating for both bulking and cutting times.

    You ought to eat well in both phases.

    Lots of greens, lean meats, whole grains, nuts are healthy. Its the amount that you eat that determines whether you are bulking or cutting.

    I see no reason to eliminate lots of quality greens, ever.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Leafy greens promote healthy and normalized thyroid function. People with a fast metabolism usually have hyperthyroidism (I think that's the one, not hypo). Their thyroid works overtime, speeding up their metabolism. Proper intake of leafy greens will help to normalize it, regulate it, so it works a bit slower. When the metabolism is slowed down a bit, it'll be much easier to store both fat and lean muscle mass. Lean muscle mass will be what is stored depending on what foods are eaten.

    And as Grady said, the bottom-line is the numbers even though there are other factors as well. But even with the astonishing numbers in the initial diet posted, he didn't see any gains because for people with his metabolism those are just empty calories, things a fast metabolism will burn right up.
     
  12. bacon

    bacon Silver Belt

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    Just reading that makes my arteries hurt....
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    That's hilarious coming from a guy named bacon. LOL
     
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    bacon Silver Belt

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    <---Bacon is my 70lb English Bulldog.....I'm Sizzlean baby
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Mmm, Sizzlean, whatever happened to that stuff? It was teh goodness! I remember when I was a kid I preferred it to bacon by a far cry.
     
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    bacon Silver Belt

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    I don't know, but the sizzlean jingle still gets stuck in my head from time to time. The only bacon alternative in my local store it turkey bacon....I'd rather eat my asics...
     
  17. Drafty

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    Ha ha, yall got me laughin now. Anyways, thanks KK & Kou for those excellent posts, just what I needed to read. Much respect. Now it's time to re-evaluate everything & make somethin happen.
     
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    This is false. Dirty bulking can actually be a LOT healthier for someone with a fast metabolism. Eating dirty foods makes bulking go by much faster, meaning you can start cutting and doing more cardio sooner.
     
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    If this is false, then why didn't it work for the person that started the thread?
     
  20. Reidar

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    There could be a number of reasons. He could be eating too frequently so that his metabolism is at a high, and so he should try to space out his meals a bit more. He could be skimping out on his meal before bedtime (take plenty of casein protein). It could be that he needs to eat more calories.

    Do you honestly think that eating less is going to make him gain more weight? At the core, bulking is defined as taking in more calories than you put out.
     

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