Did Woodley win any of you all over this weekend?

Nope… i don’t think he fought any differentl than the Wonderboy or Maia fights, it just so happened that Till wasn’t able to get back up after a counter, and got mauled for a while before getting sub… Wonderboy got back up after he got knocked down, and the fight kept going in the same boring Woodley fashion, Woodley didn’t even dare to go to the ground against Maia.

Conclusion: Woodley is still backpedaling and will have more boring fights, the difference was the opponent...

Exactly. He backpedals until he gets to the fence then throws the big right and gets out of there. Repeat.

Dan Hardy broke this down to a tee before the fight.

Obviously, if Tyron lands the right, and hurts a guy, he can finish. This is what happened to Till. But if Tyron doesn't land we get to watch five rounds of him on a bike, only offering up offense when his back is (literally) against the wall.
 
No.

I'm glad to see a finish, and for him to finally engage, but Till practically gave him that Darce. I was not sold on Till yet, he talked a lot, couldn't pull the trigger and in the end was a very disappointing opponent.

Back to Tyrun, his performances against recent opponents Wonderboy and Maia, still stink up his rep, imo. Add all the race card bullshit, whining, thinking he doesn't need a "win over GSP" to be the WW GOAT...fucking silly, and I'm not a GSP fan.
 
guy did what he had to do, and made it look easy
 
Nope… i don’t think he fought any differentl than the Wonderboy or Maia fights, it just so happened that Till wasn’t able to get back up after a counter, and got mauled for a while before getting sub… Wonderboy got back up after he got knocked down, and the fight kept going in the same boring Woodley fashion, Woodley didn’t even dare to go to the ground against Maia.

Conclusion: Woodley is still backpedaling and will have more boring fights, the difference was the opponent...
Hes mos def the same fighter, dont see why that is a bad thing as long as he improoves hes timing and executes hes gameplan even better. Woodley landed shots to the body and a couple to the head before the knockdown. Till did nothing but to move forword while eating shots and the very first time Till tried to unleash, Woodley destroyed him. This is how high level fighting should look imo.
Rory vs Robbie was a fun fight, but damn they both got sloppy and did a whole lot of technical mistakes as the fight progressed. Imo its frustrating to watch fighters at the highest level do a lot of mistakes because they want to «get back» at their opponent, even if the fight is entertaining. Woodley didnt do one friggin mistake (that Till capitalized on anyways) in a 9 min fight on saturday and thats friggin impressive!
 
I felt like I saw maturity and growth as a person this weekend, even though he a 36 yo man. The way he carried himself is how a champion carries himself. I've been a T-Wood fan, but he was something special this weekend.
 
I like Tyron, and I think he's an immense talent. I do not think he's one of the greatest WWs of all time, but I could be wrong.

Woodley is in a difficult place. He's a smart fighter embedded in a biased system that has sadly catered to casual fans with short attention spans; fans who demand to be "entertained!" at every moment, and can't make it through a 5 minute grappling round without checking their phone for something to distract themselves. He's outspoken and opinionated, but not in a way that is "entertaining!" regurgitating trash talk from a manual written by SuperStar Billy Graham and Ric Flair [like Sonnen and colby]. He fights smart, minimizing risk, which can also be not entertaining.

This weekend was no different. Till is a huge WW who was on a streak, but he is still developing and isn't particularly well rounded, and Woodley exploited one of several holes in his game. Woodley looked great doing it, but it was a much, much lower risk/reward ratio than if he'd followed Maia to the ground, for instance.

Woodley's biggest problem is himself. Any fighter who attains a championship in the UFC has climbed a mountain 99.9% of the population couldn't. But the accomplishment's of today's fighters are viewed on a spectrum and they need to continually earn the respect of fans. Woodley--whether it is justified or not, whether it was smart or not--comes off as entitled. Even before he won the championship, he was turning down fights because they "weren't good for his brand" and then sat out for a very, very extended period to get his title shot, after picking up a split over a more fan-friendly Gastelum. We're seeing more and more fighters sit for more than a year in today's UFC to get a title shot, but at the time, it was considered ridiculous, particularly coming after a controversial decision, and having turned down potentially exciting and justified fights early in his career. KTFO'ing another fan-favorite in Robbie for the title--pretty sure Lawler fought twice during the period Woodley sat out waiting--but him in a potentially unpopular position, where he had a choice to make...he could go full heel villain or he could actively seek out great fights and establish himself as a fan-friendly, take on all comers, type of champ. He did neither. He complained once again about the fights offered to him, immediately calling out a retired GSP, and essentially had to be forced to fight Wonderboy. A fight many felt he lost, and most felt was boring. Again, a fighters-champion would want to erase any doubt in the minds of fans as to who won the contest and run it back--particularly with a shallow pool of talent at WW, but not Woodley. He didn't want the rematch, again calling for a retired GSP--a fight most fans felt he didn't deserve, and would lose--and then his rematch and subsequent defense against Maia were conservative illustrations of a very skilled fighter who was entirely averse to taking risks. The call outs of GSP--before and after his return in another division--the call outs of a smaller fighter in McGregor [calling out a smaller fighter is a bitch move, no matter how much money it gets you...all you get is bitch money. bitch money spends the same as regular moeny, but it's bitch money.] and subsequent hypocritical criticism of GSP for interest in a Connor fight did nothing to improve his PR.

Note: I'm not touching his comments about being a victim of institutional racism, because I agree with most of them, to greater and lesser degrees.

All of that adds up a to a fighter who desperately needs a PR team. Dana won't promote him. Dana lacks the skill to promote anyone but low-hanging fruit, and his ego has been bruised by the accuracy of some of Woodley's comments. So it's left to Woodley to promote himself. He doesn't have to become a lame, unfunny caricature like Colby or Sonnen. But he should push himself into a spot where he's taking on all fighters without question or delay for the next two years. He has an easy defense in Colby and should aggressively push for that fight within the next six months. He has winnable fights in Usman and or RDA and or a Lawler rematch...he should push for his next fight in less than a year, and his stock will rise. If he silences Colby with a performance similar to Till's [and Colby has more holes in his striking than Till] he'll start to earn the cache that will turn casual fans toward him.

But he probably won't, because he's his own worst enemy. He'll see the Till win as validation of everything he's believed about himself all along [and he'd be right to do so, but the fan's won't see that] and complain about whoever his next matchup is. He's been a reluctant champion, and I think he'll continue to do so.
 
For me it was first a case of his opponent losing me. I was annoyed that he was fighting for a title on the basis of an overweight, phony win and hoped Woodley would expose him. I was pleased he did so handily and will probably be more enthusiastic about his fights in the future.
 
I liked him before this fight.

He is smart in the cage and seems like a good dude outside of it. His last few fights before this haven't been extremely exciting but they don't define his career.

He wants a big money fight and perhaps he doesn't move the needle enough for Dana. Maybe give it to him and see what the results are.
 
Always liked Woodley. He looks much better fighting wrestler/boxers and such than he does against extreme specialists like Maia and WB. He was just way too cautious in those fights trying to make sure he didn't end up in his opponents' zone. He's less cautious against more typical fighters/styles. I think he overdid the caution the last couple fights, but that's all it was.
 
Lol he will have another boring fight and say some more dumb shit and people will revert back to normal on him.
 
The fact that Dana uses whatever opportunity he has to throw shade at Woodley for winning fights in the most efficient way possible has made me like him a lot more.

He's got the demeanor of a champion and has put in the performances...The most annoying thing about that shade is it's so obvious.

The two guys that were in the fights with him that sucked the hardest (Thompson and Maia) consistently put in those types of performance ... They are so bad at "putting on a show", the their shittyness has such gravity as to suck in everyone else they fight ....

And Dana still lays it on.

To hate on your champion because he speaks intelligently about racism in sports (which ffs is what Dana obviously hates) is pathetic.

Woodley is a great Champion and the UFC should be proud to have him ... that they are not is priceless. Because every time he beats a guy guy Dana is desperate to see win ... we get to see that face.

Love it.. And can't wait to see his face when he beats fellow TrumpTard Covington the same way
 
why are you so interested in whether the personality of a fighter is likeable or not,this isnt a personality contest
 
Woodley had won me over back when he was still fighting in Strikeforce. That people are just now appreciating him and his skill sort of boggles the mind.
 
I like Tyron, and I think he's an immense talent. I do not think he's one of the greatest WWs of all time, but I could be wrong.

Woodley is in a difficult place. He's a smart fighter embedded in a biased system that has sadly catered to casual fans with short attention spans; fans who demand to be "entertained!" at every moment, and can't make it through a 5 minute grappling round without checking their phone for something to distract themselves. He's outspoken and opinionated, but not in a way that is "entertaining!" regurgitating trash talk from a manual written by SuperStar Billy Graham and Ric Flair [like Sonnen and colby]. He fights smart, minimizing risk, which can also be not entertaining.

This weekend was no different. Till is a huge WW who was on a streak, but he is still developing and isn't particularly well rounded, and Woodley exploited one of several holes in his game. Woodley looked great doing it, but it was a much, much lower risk/reward ratio than if he'd followed Maia to the ground, for instance.

Woodley's biggest problem is himself. Any fighter who attains a championship in the UFC has climbed a mountain 99.9% of the population couldn't. But the accomplishment's of today's fighters are viewed on a spectrum and they need to continually earn the respect of fans. Woodley--whether it is justified or not, whether it was smart or not--comes off as entitled. Even before he won the championship, he was turning down fights because they "weren't good for his brand" and then sat out for a very, very extended period to get his title shot, after picking up a split over a more fan-friendly Gastelum. We're seeing more and more fighters sit for more than a year in today's UFC to get a title shot, but at the time, it was considered ridiculous, particularly coming after a controversial decision, and having turned down potentially exciting and justified fights early in his career. KTFO'ing another fan-favorite in Robbie for the title--pretty sure Lawler fought twice during the period Woodley sat out waiting--but him in a potentially unpopular position, where he had a choice to make...he could go full heel villain or he could actively seek out great fights and establish himself as a fan-friendly, take on all comers, type of champ. He did neither. He complained once again about the fights offered to him, immediately calling out a retired GSP, and essentially had to be forced to fight Wonderboy. A fight many felt he lost, and most felt was boring. Again, a fighters-champion would want to erase any doubt in the minds of fans as to who won the contest and run it back--particularly with a shallow pool of talent at WW, but not Woodley. He didn't want the rematch, again calling for a retired GSP--a fight most fans felt he didn't deserve, and would lose--and then his rematch and subsequent defense against Maia were conservative illustrations of a very skilled fighter who was entirely averse to taking risks. The call outs of GSP--before and after his return in another division--the call outs of a smaller fighter in McGregor [calling out a smaller fighter is a bitch move, no matter how much money it gets you...all you get is bitch money. bitch money spends the same as regular moeny, but it's bitch money.] and subsequent hypocritical criticism of GSP for interest in a Connor fight did nothing to improve his PR.

Note: I'm not touching his comments about being a victim of institutional racism, because I agree with most of them, to greater and lesser degrees.

All of that adds up a to a fighter who desperately needs a PR team. Dana won't promote him. Dana lacks the skill to promote anyone but low-hanging fruit, and his ego has been bruised by the accuracy of some of Woodley's comments. So it's left to Woodley to promote himself. He doesn't have to become a lame, unfunny caricature like Colby or Sonnen. But he should push himself into a spot where he's taking on all fighters without question or delay for the next two years. He has an easy defense in Colby and should aggressively push for that fight within the next six months. He has winnable fights in Usman and or RDA and or a Lawler rematch...he should push for his next fight in less than a year, and his stock will rise. If he silences Colby with a performance similar to Till's [and Colby has more holes in his striking than Till] he'll start to earn the cache that will turn casual fans toward him.

But he probably won't, because he's his own worst enemy. He'll see the Till win as validation of everything he's believed about himself all along [and he'd be right to do so, but the fan's won't see that] and complain about whoever his next matchup is. He's been a reluctant champion, and I think he'll continue to do so.

Spot on
 
Didn't like him when he KO'd Robbie Lawler.
Started liking him when he fought Demian Maia.
 
When he gave Gastelum his money for missing weight I was a fan. While all the champs were sitting out and fighting infrequently, Tyrone was staying active. Sure he had some boring fights, but he's been winning and the opponents had to push the fights.
 
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