Did Olympic wrestling's stock go down last night?

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  1. RB777

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    One good thing about Sherdog forums, is the wealth of wrestling knowledge of those people who post on this site.

    With that said, do you think Cormier's performance lowered Olympic wresting's stock in the UFC last night?

    Many people were probably surprised at the Junior College wrestler getting more take downs on the Olympic wrestler than the other way around.
     
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    Substance Abuse Plutonium Belt Platinum Member

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    Has Mark Munoz' Collegiate wrestling credentials stock gone down yet?
     
  3. prikoke

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    Yes. Chael's quote about MMA wrestling being different from "real" wrestling sadly makes a lot of sense now.
     
  4. Toxxus

    Toxxus The Ancient One

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    I'm surprised this is getting so little attention.

    Jones took down a 2x Olympic wrestler three times and Cormier was not able to return the favor.

    He beat DC at his own game despite months of speculation that he'd have to rely on long range attacks to have any chance to win.

    I WAS impressed by his performance (use GSP voice)
     
  5. lilwayne209**

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    ill tell you this, when i heard someone was an olympic wrestler i had major respect for them, but now I have as much respect for them as a state champ wrestler in terms of fighting since jones was only a college wrestler and he destroyed cormier
     
  6. heavyarms21

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    It's proof that Jones' already lauded wrestling was even more underrated.
     
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    forums.sherdog.com/forums/showthread.php?p=101997635
     
  8. YukisHeart

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    Try the grappling sub-forum; replies in the Heavies (UFC Discussion) will mostly suck.
     
  9. RB777

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    There was once a powerful swagger that went with being a Division 1, Olympic or National team wrestler...now it just seems like they are overstrained in wrestling and less developed in the other vital aspects of mma.
     
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    No, Jones wrestling stock went up, and he still would have gotten worked at the Olympic level.
     
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    no just JBJs qwestling went up!
     
  12. RB777

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    My particular question is very UFC based, but you think it will get more/better responses in the grappling thread?

    Since you mentioned it, I would be curious to the responses of both groups...the emotional response and the knowledgable response.
     
  13. RB777

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    Why do you think that Cormier had such a difficult time imposing his wrestling on this fight?

    Seems like he could not establish control at any point with it and had to rely on out-of-range striking with occasional success once he could get inside.

    His great wrestling practically never came into play.
     
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    I thought we learned way back when GSP fought Koscheck that wrasslin and MMA wrasslin were pretty different. Also remember DC was training with someone without mma wrasslin
     
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    Well in dc defense, he hasn't competed in the Olympics for years, he's also 36 yrs old.

    Jones would get worked in wrestling on the international level with guys his age.
     
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    Does the stock of international BJJ go down when a high performer is out grappled or even subbed by a guy with lower credentials, or a K-1 level striker gets KTFO by a guy know for his grappling?

    Of course not, it's MMA not BJJ, MT, Judo or Wrestling.

    An individual's credentials in a single combat art (Wrestling/Boxing/Judo/MT/ect) only matter if they are able to transition them to and utilize them in MMA.
     
  17. HOLA

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    It was DC's first lost. Against what looks more and more to be the GOAT. It served him pretty damn well in his career. You guys have the memory of a goldfish.
     
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    Wrestling in the Cage is not olympic wrestling.
     
  19. RB777

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    Agreed. Training with another high level Olympic wrestler may have backfired.
     
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    No. Jones took down Cormier first off of a caught kick and trip basically. The other times was on a drained, very tired Cormier. MMA wrestling is different than traditional wrestling. Jones has pretty much been able to take down most of his other opponents and he has been taken down very few times. Scoring a take down on Cormier when he was extremely tired and off a caught kick doesn't make me think any less of Cormier. In a traditional wrestling match Cormier crushes Jones
     

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