Did he invent his own martial art?

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  1. CosItsFun

    CosItsFun Yellow Belt

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    http://www.wckd-institute.co.uk/

    Was looking for karate classes, and this appeared during my search.
    When I google this type of martial art, I find nothing but this page or facebook accounts related to this page/instructor.
    Is he legit or did he make it up?
    Maybe its a misspelling or something?
    Isnt Wu Chi a type of Kung Fu?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq549twykqI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29fRzikDzw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nMkQ3JxpIQ

    A few youtube videos of the club or instructor.
     
  2. zapataxiv

    zapataxiv Black Belt

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    id say it looks supicious only by the name of the style it calls itself karate and uses the japanese kanji for karate but calls itself wu chi which is chinese kwon korean do japanese

    edit just read the instructors bio
    its just another dude who trained at a bunch of mcdojos and opens his own school to make a little change
     
  3. SummerStriker

    SummerStriker Black Belt

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    He probably loves martial arts and isn't too bad. He put those little kids in headgear and had them non-stop sparring with head punches. No one is taking their lunch money.

    Edit: seriously, people that teach combined systems like that are better off. He's expressing his best notion of martial arts. Would you rather he teach some traditional TKD or Kung Fu despite him not really believing in it himself? Then people would be on him for teaching defunct kicks or nerd slap fighting and he would be bored / lying. He can't win. If he called it MMA class and taught some random combination of crap people would be more fine with it.
     
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    SummerStriker Black Belt

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    No one talking to him is going to mistaken him for a real samurai fresh off the tardis. I don't doubt that people signing up for his classes are getting exactly what they are trying to pay for, and probably better.
     
  5. CosItsFun

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    Thanks. I thought the classes seemed decent for the age level and he seemed capable, how ever it is really questionable when you start making up names and martial arts
     
  6. SummerStriker

    SummerStriker Black Belt

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    No prob.

    On that: what if you typed Wu Chi Kong Te or whatever he called it into Google Translator and it came back MMA + Karate Kicks - Single Legs? Would that be better?

    Names shouldn't matter that much.
     
  7. zapataxiv

    zapataxiv Black Belt

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    thats not what it means though it means way of (do) empty or nothing (wu chi) fist (kwon)
    whta trips me out is his interpretation of the kanji 空 as nothingness when really it means empty
    its always bad news when a tma teacher dosent know his kanji
    one of the biggest mcdojos in my town claims to teach shoalin do and continually misinterpets chinese and theres plenty of stories i have heard of the masters teaching bad chinese as well as bad kung fu
    i would keep an eye out for someone claiming to teach when they dont even know the name of what there teaching
     
  8. CosItsFun

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    Its not the name itself really
    Its that he's lying to people implying that he's teaching a defined system when its more of his own person mixture of martial arts. If he marketed it as MMA I'd be fine with it, but when he tries to exploit the ignorance of the unknowing by attempting to brand it as a defined traditional martial art.

    On a side note, I just noticed this -

    Wu'Chi Kwon Do literally means 'Fist of Nothingness'. It is a term used by this school to describe the type of techniques taught. However, what is being taught is a Freestyle Karate. Freestyle Karate is a recognised form of martial arts. It is very disciplined like traditional karate, but allows for a greater range of movements.

    which clears up quite a bit. Whoops.
     
  9. KarateStylist

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    ^^^ "Fist of Nothingness," then why are standard color belt-ranks so specified?

    ^^^ Sounds like "air punchers" meet Russian boxers v. TKD wimps vid....

    In VID #2, Master needs to change theme, "Eye of Tiger," replacing Tiger with "KittyKat."

    In VID #4, Master's form looks like a brand of kenpo, I would guess Okinawan.... His stance work is weak.... emphasis on the hands much more complex thaN most traditional karates....

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  10. SummerStriker

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    In my opinion the only bit of history in martial arts that matters is that which gives you the context for the techniques so that you can reason out why it might not be optimal for your condition. So far, all those books I've seen come in English. You don't need much of the origin's language to get it. Writing in Sanskrit or speaking Mandarin isn't going to win you any fights and for some people, like me, it seems boring and impractical. I have a copy of Rosetta Stone - Mandarin sitting right here. When I feel like learning Mandarin, I can put it in. I don't need to memorize how to count to ten or the names of kicks from my sensi when all I really want from him is the reason the MMA guys keep kicking my ass. (;

    I've known plenty of people that have done martial arts for years and don't know the history. Kickboxers that compete who don't know if they learned Thai or Dutch style, or think it is both and don't care. Is their karate shotokan or kempo? Probably just call it karate. Do wrestlers really know the history of the Greek games or the Greek names for the techniques? That should be important. Hell, I bet the Greeks didn't say, "wrastle" but modern wrestlers are quite good without knowing the old language.

    Martial arts is just fighting, and the discipline and mental training is just to help with that. If it is to preserve a culture or to get you a better reincarnation or make you feel better, it isn't martial arts. Hell, some people give their martial arts random names because they don't think the name matters because they believe fighting is just fighting, movement is just movement.

    If you have a hobby of studying ancient cultures or pretending to be from one, or you like artistic looking things, then finding a teacher that can facilitate the additional interests that are sort of related to martial arts might be important to you and you might enjoy how you spend your time better knowing your teacher in fighting is also a language and history teacher, but that's not necessary for everyone.
     
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    How's he lying? Anyone can make up a system. Watch this:

    White Belt: Intro Movements and Warm up
    Yellow Belt: Basic Form 1 (the one I like from kung fu), Jab, Cross, Hook, Front Kick, Self Defense 1-8
    Orange Belt: Basic Form 2 (The one from TKD class that uses front kick), Upper Cut, Overhand Right, Round House, Step Sparring, Light Contact Sparring
    Blue Belt: Basic Form 3 (The one I just made up where you repeat sparring steps 2,3 and a self defense move 4 times), hard karate blocks, BJJ escapes and transitions
    Green Belt: Basic Form 4 (The second Kung Fu form), sticky hands trapping, full contact sparring, arm bar, rear naked choke, single leg, double leg, americana, hook and side kick.
    Black Belt: Do it all better.

    There. That's a system. A defined system. If I've done martial arts for 6 years, that's long enough to make a defined computer programming protocol, or a triage protocol, or a fire hose hookup protocol. It's enough time to make a defined training protocol. Anyone running a McDojo is free to use what I just wrote as a template, free of charge. Its called "Summer Striker Kwon Do." Search it on line. It was invented by me in 2013.

    What matters is that the head instructor is knowledgeable, believes in what he is doing, and teaches to the best of his abilities. People go to him because they are getting what they want. Branding and marketing is not a sin. It is a sacrament. If he can make money teaching, than he can teach and train full time, making him better than he would be if he blundered through it acting like the spirit of martial arts is dead in him because he isn't parroting a tradition from someone else's culture that he doesn't care about.

    Anyone with a library or an internet can look to see if you made up the name of the martial art. He isn't even lying about that anyway. Like I said, Branding is important. Capital B important. People can empirically tell if his teaching is good by finding martial artists or MMA people and sparring with them. If they get beat up, they should figure out why. I did. I left my old instructor when I found a more effective one. If people are too stupid to research the history of a martial art if they care about the history of the martial art, don't care how their training stacks up to other people by never checking, and can't tell that their instructor lacks the self objectivity he needs to tell if he should be teaching, all of that it their fault. In this day and age, there is no excuse.
     
  13. KarateStylist

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    ^^^ The TSD schools are huge on Korean culture,,, where I'm with you and am not.... "Tradition" is important when it concerns martial.... "Tradition" that relates to culture or aesthetic art form is a mixture of personal preferences & window dressing.

    ....
    ^^^ Nevertheless, most martial artists that try & do this, foul it up.... Mixing TMA like vegetables for succotash, it works for vegetables.... not so easily for differing TMA systems.... not denying cross-training....

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    On a direct note.

    Did he make up his own martial art? No. Fighting is just fighting and everything he's teaching has been taught before. He branded his personal understanding of it. That's different.

    If he says he watched his dogs play and it gave him a new idea for a kind of human movement, then took to the streets and the cage and applied it on people from scratch, devised a system for teaching it, and then named it, then yes, he made up a new martial art.

    This guy is just teaching what he was taught.
     
  15. SummerStriker

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    So do martial arts die with cross training? Does the cross trainer give up the right to teach? If I learn to wrestle for 10 years and kickbox for 10 years, must I teach the clinching methods separately and play dumb about them going together, or can I mix it? If I mix it, can I name it?
     
  16. zapataxiv

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    damn the fact that certain posters are supporting my argument makes me want to change sides
    i will say why train here dont they have legit sanda in the uk if your looking for something traditional but with functional training i would say try that one
    i think kudo is also available in the uk i may be wrong on that one though
     
  17. SAAMAG

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    Id agree with Summerstriker on this one.

    There's nothing wrong with rebranding something once you've made your fighting philosophy "your own". All he did was give it a name...nothing different than what Bruce Lee did.
     
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  18. KarateStylist

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    ^^^ A big slob like you can do whatever you want {just kidding.}. And I'm having succotash for lunch, no kidding.... :icon_lol: YUMMY....

    ^^^ And what's up with the Matador comic...? I'm mean it is an entertainment
    forum--I see that now.... :)...
    ^^^ Get a license from the guy & use it @ your GYM.... go for it.....

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  19. SummerStriker

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    haha. ok ok.

    I do like my mixed vegetables.
     
  20. KarateStylist

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    ^^^ My succotash is tasty... and healthy....

    ^^^ And I respect that.... What makes a forum a forum is not just you're a wingnut, and I'm a doopflug.... A challenge = / = disrespect...

    ^^^ Some here are 'light' on the challenge end.... :icon_neut

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    EDIT: OH AND BTW, SUCCESSFUL CROSS-TRAINING REQUIRES EVEN MORE OF A CERTAIN MENTAL SKILL {not discipline}. Brought this over from the UFC Forum... "Greg Jackson MMA Credentials" T.
    ^^^ In support of your assertion.... given Jackson's success.... but not proof....

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