Did Gunnar Nelson hold the choke too long against Thatch?

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  1. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    Just watched it again. Looks like he held on for a decent amount of time after Thatch tapped?

    What say you?
     
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    Nah. Looks totally fine to me.
     
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    Not at all.
     
  4. LouisBolanos

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    There's nothing wrong with holding a submission in place before the ref stops you. What you shouldn't be doing is continue cranking hard after your opponent is clearly tapping.
     
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    Wrong. What you shouldn't be doing is cranking hard after the ref stops you. Tapping doesnt stop the fight, the ref does. This sub looks perfectly ok with me.
     
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    Looks fine.
     
  7. Peteyandjia

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    Nah, Nelson was in the clear on that one.

    Let's not start hating on nice guy Gunni.
     
  8. JagWar

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    Letting go isn't always going to be perfect timing.
     
  9. LouisBolanos

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    You shouldn't really keep cranking hard after the guy tapped if the ref can't get to you in time, just hold the sub in position, this applies especially to moves that can cause severe injuries like leg locks.
     
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    Don't see the problem, he waited for the ref to stop it and let go
     
  11. NGute87

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    No dude Lol Your not supposed to be nice in a fight. Lol your hurting your opponent into submission. It's the refs job to make you stop cranking hard. The ref got to him in time btw.
     
  12. 120wrestling

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    people need to understand, when the fighter taps, it's not a signal for the guy to let go, it's a signal to the ref that he's done, and the ref will signal the fighter to let go. What is unnecessary is a paul harriss move in which you crank still even after your forceful pulled
     
  13. vkram

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    Chokes aren't that dangerous anyway, worst scenario the guy goes to sleep for a bit
     
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    Key points:

    You should let go when the ref stops it - Gunnar lets go as soon as the ref stops the fight.

    This is not a joint manipulation submission, it's just a choke. Holding a choke for 2 seconds when your opponent isn't even out does nothing really. Cranking a joint hold however, that's an entirely different story.

    Basically: As long as you don't crank the joint manipulation harder after the tap, you're golden. Hold it and let go when the ref tells you to.
     
  15. LouisBolanos

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    You're not supposed to be hurting your opponent when he/she has already tapped. Technically sure the ref is the one who's supposed to stop the fight but sometimes they don't get to the fighters in time for one reason or another, in which case the fighters should exercise restraint instead of continue to output damage, same applies to punching fighters after they're clearly out. It might be legal but it's an asshole move that's frowned upon.
     
  16. kevin1916

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    The very second the ref came in Gunny let go. Those taps were weak man. Its not up to Gunny to try to determine "did he just tap or try to play piano on my forearm?"....let the ref decide when the fight should stop.
     
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  18. darky7z

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    No your suppose to keep going hard til the ref stops you. Its the fighters job to tap in time. If you stop cranking and he stops tapping and gets the fight goes on cause the ref dint officially stop the fight.
     
  19. Jballer

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    Nah. Maybe a few splits of a second but didn't seem intentional.
     
  20. No issue here in my opinion.
     

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