Diaz vs GSP is bad for MMA

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  1. ohshizabear

    ohshizabear Blue Belt

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    Whenever someone brings up the fact that Diaz doesn't deserve the title shot, the primary response seems to be that Diaz hyped up the fight and that he's exciting. Never mind the fact that he lost his last fight, failed a drug test, hasn't fought in a year, AND already had the opportunity to fight for the title but simply didn't show up to the press conference. Giving Diaz the shot now isn't in our best interest as fans, it's not in MMA's best interest as a sport, hell it's not even Diaz' best interest as contender.

    Let's break down the fight and how Diaz is going to keep things interesting. First, does Diaz have the wrestling to keep this fight standing long enough to land his punches in bunches? Has Diaz ever submitted anyone with a ground game like GSP? Will GSP take any unnecessary risks, giving Diaz the opportunity to sink something in? If Diaz can't get a submission or land his combinations often, does he have the versatility to bring a different game plan and adjust?

    Is this fight even in Diaz' best interest? He hasn't fought in a year, now he's gonna be pitted against one of the greatest fighters of all time? If he actually stands a chance at beating GSP, why not give him a top 5 fight to simultaneously have him prove he deserves the shot and help him get rid of the ring rust that could seriously hinder him in a title fight.

    Meanwhile, you have Hendricks who has already beaten the perennial No. 2 WW and another contender in emphatic fashion. While Diaz has been talking, Hendricks has been garnering attention the way a fighter is supposed to, straight up knocking out his biggest opponents in the first round.

    Yes, the UFC is a business and MMA is a spectator sport. But what if the NBA said "Fuck the playoffs, everyone wants to see the Lakers play the Celtics," regardless of either teams' accomplishments that year? All sports have spectators who want something, but you can't treat the athletes that way. The general reaction seems to be "Hendricks deserves it, but Diaz is exciting, so give it to him." Fuck that. he UFC has a deep enough talent pool and has created enough momentum for itself that it doesn't need to simply appease the fans for PPV buys or build up a champion with each title fight. Give the shots to the people who earn them.
     
  2. RiverCity

    RiverCity Green Belt

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    Agreed.
     
  3. Godzilla3232

    Godzilla3232 Red Belt

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    So long as the best fighters end up fighting each other in the end then questionable fights are just questionable fights, and they've been happening for years now. I also don't want to see the UFC become a "sport" where the fans text their vote to see who the number one contender is, but we're not even on a slippery-slope to that point yet.
     
  4. SODACKER

    SODACKER Silver Belt

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    Trying to compare mma to Sports where teams play between 22 and 200 times a year compared to mma which hopefully a championship fight 3 is stupid.

    The next game after giants won the super bowl they played the Cowboys. How fucked up is that. The Cowboys weren't even above five hundred the last year and they were playing the giants right after the super.

    Just call it another blow to the NFL.
     
  5. dropshot001

    dropshot001 Red Belt

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    i agree. those who earn title shots should get them, especially in the welterweight division where the competitors will be beaten in an unentertaining manner by gsp....the least the ufc could do would be to put a worthy competitor in there instead of trying to hype of a fighter who is less worthy.
     
  6. hussar922

    hussar922 Brown Belt

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    agreed - this and the sonnen nonsense has left a bad taste in my mouth regarding this sport - i've been buying fewer and fewer ppv's over the past year+ - i know shit like this (gsp/diaz) is supposed to turn that around but it only lessens my interest in mma as a whole
     
  7. mikecello

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    If it becomes one of the all time greatest fights in the history of MMA, I could give a fuck how it got there.
     
  8. hussar922

    hussar922 Brown Belt

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    this is just a stupid comparison - nfl teams don't defend their title - the next season every team starts out at zero and has to earn their way back to to the play offs
     
  9. dropshot001

    dropshot001 Red Belt

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    how can you compare the giants being in the super bowl to who they opened their new season with? that makes absolutely no sense.

    there are other fighters more deserving than diaz for the title shot at this time, yet they have been overlooked.
     
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    Agreed.
     
  11. SODACKER

    SODACKER Silver Belt

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    It is stupid. So anyone actually trying to make a point by comparing mma to completely different sports makes me immediate think they are stupid.
     
  12. ohshizabear

    ohshizabear Blue Belt

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    The difference in your example is that the NFL essentially starts fresh at the beginning of every season. If you consider MMA one continuous season, then its more or less the same idea. The teams that win, continue on and the teams that lose do not, regardless of which teams have the most fans.
     
  13. hussar922

    hussar922 Brown Belt

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    you should care how it got there

    - and it won't by the way - the people selling it will try to convince you otherwise leading up to the fight but st pierre is going to clown diaz and the whole thing will look like a joke - there's a reason diaz has fought a string of mid-tier strikers and not a wrestler among them - condit was his only real championship worthy fight and he lost - st pierre will have diaz so confused and frustrated once the fight starts he won't remember what day of the week it is
     
  14. hussar922

    hussar922 Brown Belt

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    no - his comparison was about sport and the necessity for parity and legitimacy - that was sound - you're trying to make it something other than that was the stupid part
     
  15. JacJeanFinger

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    2011 was a turning point for UFC and MMA industry in North America.
    It may continue to grow to a larger market in the geographical term,
    but won't business wise.

    If you don't promote entertainment aspects of the sport, it will naturally subside.

    Let's throw Diaz in every event of the year.
     
  16. JoeLogan

    JoeLogan Banned Banned

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    I think I see thee of these "X is bad for MMA" threads every week.

    And Diaz hasn't been wrestlefucked in 6 years, and even then when he did lose a fight cuz' of his wrestling deficiency it was still extremely competitive and a close fight, and his BJJ has improved immensely since then, as well as his cardio and striking and, I'm willing to bet, his wrestling as well. You can't say that GSP's gonna absolutely wrestlefuck him and it's not even gonna be competitive; you don't know that.
     
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    Pastor Trimm Dimitri's Messenger Banned

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    You can't compare the fuckin NBA with the UFC. This fight doesn't hurt MMA in any way, shape, or form. Nick is on anyones top 10 list, and a lot of peoples top 5. The last fight he lost was a very controversial decision that definitely could've went his way. Exciting fights between top 10 fighters can't hurt MMA, that's ridiculous.
     
  19. shertard74

    shertard74 Green Belt

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    He was the number 1 contender and a majority of the mma world thinks he won that fight 1, 2, &5. There is nothing wrong with this match up. Quit hating. Don't you have anything better to do with ur day?
     
  20. SODACKER

    SODACKER Silver Belt

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    Compared a sport that had a playoff and crowns a champ once a year to a sport that has belts that has no playoff and crowns a champ four times a year is stupid. No legitimate argument can be drawn from it.
     

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