Diaz Used The Same "Out of Competition" Defense But Lost

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  1. dionysiac

    dionysiac Blue Belt

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    When Diaz got popped for marijuana in his fight against Condit, his levels were so low that it was clear that he had used marijuana out of competition, not in competition. However, the NSAC argued that it didn't matter and that Diaz did an illegal drug, so that he should be punished.

    A summary:

    Marijuana is currently prohibited for fighters licensed in Nevada according to statute NAC 467.850(2)(f), which includes all prohibited substances on the current Prohibited List published by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). In May and in Thursday's petition, Diaz's legal team argues marijuana is only prohibited "in competition" and adamantly maintain WADA permits use of marijuana and other cannabinoids outside of competition. Nevada's laws, by virtue of using WADA's direction, also permit out of competition use, they contend.

    The NSAC ultimately disagreed with Diaz's legal argument last May and found him in violation of the statute.​

    So why should Jones be able to get away with the same argument as Diaz for use of cocaine, a much more serious drug? The NSAC acted like even testing for out of competition cocaine was a mistake. Does this mean that people can smoke pot out of competition with impunity now?
     
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    Marijuana stays in the system for substantially longer & would also be found w/ post fight tests. So whilest "competing" he would've been on the substance.
     
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    Diaz isn't a cash cow.
     
  4. dionysiac

    dionysiac Blue Belt

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    Just because trace metabolites are present, doesn't mean that marijuana was being used in competition. Trace metabolites have no physiological effect whatsoever. Science confirmed that Diaz's levels were so low as to not have been used in competition.

    What's more interesting to me is Diaz specifically cited WADA protocols. In response, the NSAC claimed that they were not bound by WADA. Now, they claim that they are so bound by WADA that even testing for cocaine was an administrative mistake. Quite a reversal.
     
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    Minnja Touch-Butt white belt Platinum Member

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    The wording of the rule basically makes it mean that if any of it is detected in the pre-fight/post-fight test then it's "in-competition." Doesn't matter if it's logical, that's just what the rules are. People should be arguing about changing the wording of the rules or the actual rules, and not be arguing about why Jones and Diaz situation are the same thing with different punishments
     
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    It's my educated guess that "In / Out of competition" refers to when the test was administered...

    If the test was administered the day of the fight = "In competition"

    If the test was administered months before the fight = "Out of competition"

    Because THC stays in the system for much longer, it will fail the test administered the day of the fight (failing the "In competition" test).
     
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    Whereas your logic makes sense, you are trying to apply your own logic to the laws of Marijuana, which defy all logic, so you will brainfart long before it makes sense...

    if you dig into the internet about the origin of marijuana laws, and what Ron Paul had written in his book, youll really be flabbergasted
     
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    I just read the Commission considers in comp. 12 hours before and after the fight
     
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    The rules state it cannot be in the system while in competition, not rocket science.
     
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    don't bother OP.

    The NSAC, the UFC and Reebok have all decided it's not the same thing bcs $$. Come to think of it, it's worse bcs weed stays in the system for a longer period of time, meaning they popped Jones immediatelly after the coke.

    Hope the public outlash makes them change their mind
     
  11. Master7quick

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    even the ufc thinks cocaine is a hell of a drug
     
  12. dionysiac

    dionysiac Blue Belt

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    "It doesn't matter what I think, what you think, what anybody else thinks, it's illegal."


    "Listen, I'd love to say something right now that, you know, makes Nick Diaz free and clear to fight again but I can't. It's illegal. It is illegal. You can't smoke it. You can't smoke it. The Commission says you can't do it leading up to a fight, can't have any traces of any drugs inside your body. You can't do this, you can't do that. Those are the fucking rules. It's the rules, you know"
     
  13. Holic

    Holic Yeah! More Sponduli!

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    this is basically the reason, but Dana, the commission, and the fans are all going to move heaven and earth to give Jones his damage control.

    "Because on the 3rd saturday of the seventh moon when orion is in the sky, and the cut was pure arm and hammer baking soda at an exact 0.15 ratio, weed is worse than coke!"
     
  14. Th3Sav4ge

    Th3Sav4ge "What the fuck is happening!?"

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    kinda is
     
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    dionysiac Blue Belt

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    He wasn't known to be a really reliable one until the GSP fight
     
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    beefcake180 Aces Wild

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    Yeah. It's dumb. They're essentially punishing you for how long the drug stays in your system instead of the drug itself.
     
  17. BobbyBuds

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    He certainly is... This was Jones biggest PPV. Before this, Nick would sell more ppv's. At once a year and maybe 1-2 big draws left. If he loses badly to Silva, people probably won't buy another PPV with him headlining given that will be 3 losses in a row.
     
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    Th3Sav4ge "What the fuck is happening!?"

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    He kinda is though
     
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    What's really fucked up is that Cocaine is out of your system in 24-48 hrs....
     

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