Diaz/Silva = Silva win.... Reem/Lesnar = Shouldve been NC... LOGIC EXPLAINED HERE

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saw the thread calling for diaz/silva being a NC cuz thats logical, no it isnt. Diaz lost, Silva failed his test, but Diaz also failed his, both under their normal license.


Ill explain to you a situation where a fight shouldve been overturned but wasnt..

Lesnar vs Overeem

Remember how the fight was almost called off because Overeem avoided a drug test and wasnt granted a license?

During the pre fight conference, they were testing all fighters with a random test, including Lesnar , who took the test.. and Overeem got in his car and drove away immediately flew back to Holland and the fight was put in jeopardy.

Overeem was given a hearing and given a conditional license where he would have to pass the pre-fight screening but also TWO post fight random screenings while under the license or else license would be invalid.

Overeem failed one of those random post fight tests, making his license invalid, therefore didn't obide by the conditions given to him which gave him a license to fight Brock Lesnar, therefore the fight must be overturned to a No Contest.

But nope, it was swept under the rug and handled as if he was not on a conditional license, and kept a win under Overeem's record since Lesnar was retired.

source:
Alistair Overeem's long-awaited UFC debut as well as a UFC 141 match with pay-per-view powerhouse Brock Lesnar was threatened after Overeem's request for a Nevada fighter's license was debated during the state's athletic commission in a Monday hearing.

In a meeting at the Grant Sawyer State Office Building in Las Vegas, commission executive director Keith Kizer told the governing body that he had difficulty in setting up a random drug test with Overeem after informing him of his intentions on November 17.

And now, almost a month later and with less than three weeks to go until the fight, they have yet to receive test results from him.

Overeem said that after being notified of that, he took a urine test on Dec. 7, but neither he nor the NSAC have yet to receive the results. In addition, Overeem admitted that he took the second test at his personal doctor's office and sent it off to a lab in Germany.

As a result, NSAC was faced with a decision of whether or not to license him.

A commissioner explained that Overeem was given notice on November 17 and coincidentally returned to Holland from the U.S. on the same day.

Commission members later said they believed Overeem's version of events, but one commissioner noted that "the public wants to feel comfortable with this."

After a motion to grant him a conditional license based mostly upon the result of that Dec. 7 test failed, a compromise was offered where he would offer an observed urine test at an independent lab within 72 hours, the standard pre-fight test before the event, and then he would be subject to two random drug tests in the next six months at his own expense.

Overeem accepted the terms, which were approved by the commissioners in a subsequent vote.

As a result, Overeem has a conditional license.
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The overeem/lesnar situation was one of the most overlooked so obvious cases of steroids in the UFC.

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Anderson's win has been turned into a NC
 
Towelie by TKO said:
2004 Brock nuthugging troll account?
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Brock nuthugging?

So laying out facts surrounding Overeem and his steroid abuse and explaining how the NC logic should work and basically just bring up a case in which an NC shouldve happened but didnt, is now considered nuthugging Brock?

I dont even like Brock.

God damn you people are retarded
 
I guess you missed the part in the story where Lesnar also ran from the test? They claimed he was hunting and couldn't find him. His test was also delayed.

The test Reem ended up failing was after the fight. The terms were that he would have a conditional license to fight Lesnar but if he failed after, he risked having his license revoked. It had no bearing on the match or the outcome.

It's pretty clear to me that both guys were trying to game the system but the win is a win. He passed his pre and post fight tests and that's all that matters.
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
I guess you missed the part in the story where Lesnar also ran from the test? They claimed he was hunting and couldn't find him. His test was also delayed.

The test Reem ended up failing was after the fight. The terms were that he would have a conditional license to fight Lesnar but if he failed after, he risked having his license revoked. It had no bearing on the match or the outcome.

It's pretty clear to me that both guys were trying to game the system but the win is a win. He passed his pre and post fight tests and that's all that matters.
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Lesnar took the test the same day he should have.

Overeem flew to Holland.

The license conditions were he would have to pass a prefight drug test and TWO RANDOM TESTS after the fight, one of which was the one he failed, making his license invalid.

Therefore the fight would be a No Contest because the license Overeem had was obsolete.
 
everyone talked shit about reem on roids. nothing overlooked at all.


On reem still having the win.....who gives a fuck


actually wasnt reem suposed to fight JDS when he got caught?. So he passed the other tests for brock
 
it's pretty simple, he did not fail the "post fight" test so he keeps the W. he fails the next test and loses his "conditional" license.
 
shinbone28 said:
Brock nuthugging?

So laying out facts surrounding Overeem and his steroid abuse and explaining how the NC logic should work and basically just bring up a case in which an NC shouldve happened but didnt, is now considered nuthugging Brock?

I dont even like Brock.

God damn you people are retarded
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You get that alot. Brock is like marmalade. Some love him, other hate him. But boy, do the haters spew fictitious, biased garbage.
 
Things really shouldn't be this complicated. People shouldn't have to go to law school to make educated guesses on what steroid failures lead to NCs or losses and whatnot, and that also goes for the executives at the AC that actually make the decisions.

Regardless of the circumstances surrounding how one got a license, or any of that, there should be simple rules:

You win but test positive = X
You lose and your opponent tests positive = Y
Both fighters test positive = Z

And something for draws, if they occur.
 
Difference is Diaz doesn't use PEDs but Silva does.
 
BisexualMMA said:
Things really shouldn't be this complicated. People shouldn't have to go to law school to make educated guesses on what steroid failures lead to NCs or losses and whatnot, and that also goes for the executives at the AC that actually make the decisions.

Regardless of the circumstances surrounding how one got a license, or any of that, there should be simple rules:

You win but test positive = X
You lose and your opponent tests positive = Y
Both fighters test positive = Z

And something for draws, if they occur.
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here you go.
draw=Q
 
Damn alistair ran away from his test yet he still got to fight and was given the w. Yet wanderlei got screwed over and cant fight now because he did the same wtf.
 
Now I really want to see Jon Jones vs Anderson Silva to find out who gets poked first.
 
What a waste of a 2004 account.

Enjoy your ban.
 
Raul24 said:
THIS, thats when mir stepped up
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Wrong.

Yes, Reem was getting ready to fight JDS, but the test he failed was one of the random tests he had to take due to his conditional license. JDS did not take the same test.
 
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