Devil's advocate: Jones shouldn't have been DQ'ed in Hamill fight

[AimedWithV]

Timeline of events:

1. Jones elbows Hamill 12/6
2. Referee stops the action, takes 1 point(!!) from Jones
3. Hamill is on the mat, eyes covered in blood
4. Referee ASKS Hamill if he can continue
5. Hamill is deaf and cannot see referee's lips, thus doesn't say anything
6. Referee considers Hamill unable to continue the fight and stops the action.

 

[Hotora86]

Come on now, mr Jones apologist.
Jon BROKE THE RULES and was DQd.
How hard is this a concept? He fucked up.
Should have been DQd vs A Smith as well IMO.

 

[Jojomojo]

Never heard that Idea before...

 

[AimedWithV]

Come on now, mr Jones apologist.
Jon BROKE THE RULES and was DQd.
How hard is this a concept? He fucked up.
Should have been DQd vs A Smith as well IMO.

No.
Jones broke the rules and got his initial punishment right - ONE POINT TAKEN.

Following DQ was a brain fart of a referee.

 

[Dilan Cummingsworth]

Come on now, mr Jones apologist.
Jon BROKE THE RULES and was DQd.
How hard is this a concept? He fucked up.
Should have been DQd vs A Smith as well IMO.

Yeah, both Hamil and Smith were just about to turn it up and put a ferocious pace on Jon. Shame it had to end that way

 

[Hellowhosthat]

If he can't continue to fight due to an intentional foul then it's a DQ.

Noone considers it a real loss anyway.

 

[VVarhead]

The DQ was perfectly fine. Jones is a dirty fighter and the DQ on his record represents that perfectly.

 

[Hirashin]

TS should test the 12-6 elbows on himself first and then come back here and revise his statement.

 

[Ken Oath]

New Timeline of events:

1. Jones elbows Hamill 12/6
2. Referee stops the action, Jones leaves the arena
3. Jones snorts some coke
4. Jones crashes into a pregnant lady and breaks her arm
5. He's so coked up he forgets about the devil's lettuce in the car
6. Goes back to get the devil's lettuce while the pregnant lady struggles with her broken arm.

 

[Mike]

Yeah he shouldn't have been disqualified for that. Yes the elbows were illegal but they weren't what stopped the fight. The injury from the slam is what ended the fight.

And that's what Matt said about it. But yes, Jones is a dirty fighter overall so it's whatever.

 

[Fossor]

TS should test the 12-6 elbows on himself first and then come back here and revise his statement.

There is no difference between 12/6 elbows and Travis Browne's elbows

 

[Hirashin]

There is no difference between 12/6 elbows and Travis Brown's elbows

i'v said thousand times that Travis should have been DQd

 

[Fossor]

i'v said thousand times that Travis should have been DQd

But there is no rule to DQ him, not to mention that it is a legit technique nowadays

 

[AimedWithV]

If he can't continue to fight due to an intentional foul then it's a DQ.

He could have continued.
Referee decided that he could not continue because he didn't respond. Because he was deaf and didn't see his lips.

 

[Hirashin]

But there is no rule to DQ him, not to mention that it is a legit technic nowadays

THe explanation of why those elbows are legal was laughable. Those were 99% legit 12-6 elbows. The rules say they are forbidden.
Mat Hamill could barely walk after those elbows. TS should try them.

 

[AimedWithV]

TS should test the 12-6 elbows on himself first and then come back here and revise his statement.

Maybe the referee should've done the same? Because what he did initially was taking a point from Jones for this...

 

[GOATtalks]

They should overturn that result

 

[Hotora86]

Yeah, both Hamil and Smith were just about to turn it up and put a ferocious pace on Jon. Shame it had to end that way

Does it matter what their chances were?

In soccer, when a player commits a serious foul he gets a red card and is sent off. It doesn't matter if his team is winning 10-0 and completely dominating the game. A foul is a foul.

 

[AimedWithV]

Does it matter what their chances were?

In soccer, when a player commits a serious foul he gets a red card and is sent off. It doesn't matter if his team is winning 10-0 and completely dominating the game. A foul is a foul.

Jones made a foul, and got 1 point.
That's his punishment. The card should've been yellow.

 

[Brit_Brawler]

The reality is the whole situation is down to the referees perception of Jon's intent.
Lets say Matt did willingly choose to not continue.
The strikes were very illegal.
Now the ref could take a point ( he did)
Once the fighter can no longer continue it really comes down to did jon intentionally or unintentionally commit the foul. One would result in a no contest and one is a disqualification.
I dont think anyone could argue that those shots were by accident but was jon aware that that type of elbow was unacceptable?
Its a tricky one.

 

[Brit_Brawler]

Jones made a foul, and got 1 point.
That's his punishment. The card should've been yellow.

If the fight cannot continue after a foul then it's a DQ if deemed intentional, no contest if accidental.
The ref was too hasty to hand out the point deduction and instead should've waited to see if matt was even able to recover.
That being said , Taking a point does not exclude the right to DQ a fighter anyway