Dems to push more healthcare reform

[Prutfis]

How come the USA has so much healthcare tourism coming from these countries? Nobel prizes aren’t the best way to measure innovation and the USA has developed more than half of new medications in the last decade.

Do you work in the healthcare field?

lol. healthcare tourism from Austria, Sweden, Denmark etc? Bullshit.

But for the few travelling to the US there are usually 2 reasons. They can pay to skip a line or they can get treatment not approved in their own country (usually eksperimental)

 

[ChainFlow]

It takes 5 people in the VA healthcare system to accomplish what it takes 2 in private healthcare. Profits are what drive innovation in healthcare and if you take that away th advancement of healthcare is hindered. People arguing for universal healthcare do not work in the industry.

{citation needed}

Current Medicare reimbursement rules hinder healthcare providers ability to make their own clinical judgements. Unnecessary tests are ordered because Medicare demands it or necessary tests are not ordered because Medicare won’t pay for it.

This is exactly what private insurers do. Before paying for an MRI, you have to have tried a CT. Before you try a CT, you have to have tried an X-Ray. Why? Because they’re hoping to reduce costs by not paying for one of the more expensive scans, even if that one is the one needed in the best judgment of the doc evaluating the patient. Private insurer rules dictate healthcare providers’ ability to make their own clinical judgements and decide best care pathways all the time.

 

[cincymma79]

Millions more people have insurance thanks to ACA. More people are getting treatment they need than before. Polling data shows that the majority of people with exchange plans are satisfied with their insurance. How are you defining horrible?

it made people who were already buying their own's plan more expensive. it did cover more people though

 

[cincymma79]

Doctors dont need to be mini-oligarchs.

Docs in the UK still make 150k per year in their Marxist cuck system.

anyone who makes more than you is the devil right?

i just turned down a job for 150, at least until next summer

fight me

 

[HatchetHarry]

{citation needed}

VA healthcare and inefficiency is well known. This is based on my experience working in a both VA and private healthcare companies. The “it takes 5 people” phrase is something you will commonly hear working in the VA or around the VA.

 

[Rational Poster]

Would be nice to remove insurance companies from the picture.

Good luck with that.

Healthcare is now 19% of our GDP.

Hundreds of thousands of jobs are now tied to the healthcare/health insurance industry.

 

[AndroidRage]

ACA has been fucking horrible. Not sure how you are so ignorant. Obama's plan was for Obamacare to fail. Then bring socialist healthcare system here.
Everyone's premiums have skyrocketed since that piece of shit Obama fucked us.

You mean Romneycare.

 

[electricfuneral]

America doesn't want healthcare. They want a wall. They voted for a wall.

 

[AndroidRage]

VA healthcare and inefficiency is well known. This is based on my experience working in a both VA and private healthcare companies. The “it takes 5 people” phrase is something you will commonly hear working in the VA or around the VA.

How efficient is private healthcare vs medicare now? That is what medicare for all would be. It would not work like the VA.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No, my gripe is with the insurance. The costs are my insurance payment. No need to fabricate what I said. I said I am only paying insurance because it covers my Special needs sons medical expenses, that is it. There is no reason to add or alter anything I have said.

There's nothing fabricated, it's just basic logic. Your medical expenses are high so insurance is a good deal for you. You're not understanding your own situation there.

This, unfortunately, has interesting implications for healthcare reform (both current and future). People who are net beneficiaries of the system (that is, who pay in less than they get out) still feel cheated because the costs are high. The unfortunate truth is that a lot of care relies on highly specialized (and thus very expensive) labor, advanced technology, etc. Healthcare is expensive no matter how you divide the costs and no matter how much waste you cut out. And people have little choice about using it. So they're going to be resentful even if they're getting a good deal.

There's no question that the ACA was a great deal for almost everyone in America and that single payer would be even better, but it's a much harder sell than I think people realize. And the fact that many on the left are trying to downplay the costs of single payer is going to make that sell even harder. The fact is, a lot of people (not a majority)--including middle-class people--will have to pay more in total costs (that is, taxes will rise more than insurance is cut) to make it work.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

it made people who were already buying their own's plan more expensive.

Source?

 

[cincymma79]

Source?

anyone with a plan. look left or right and ask someone. or google it. no shortage either. some self insured folks saved a little

 

[AndroidRage]

How come the USA has so much healthcare tourism coming from these countries? Nobel prizes aren’t the best way to measure innovation and the USA has developed more than half of new medications in the last decade.

Do you work in the healthcare field?

1.4 million US citizens left the US to get healthcare abroad. That was in 2016 0r 2017.

 

[ineverpost]

They will negotiate the cost of nothing down. It will be subsidized, like everything is, by working class people.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

There's nothing fabricated, it's just basic logic. Your medical expenses are high so insurance is a good deal for you. You're not understanding your own situation there.

This, unfortunately, has interesting implications for healthcare reform (both current and future). People who are net beneficiaries of the system (that is, who pay in less than they get out) still feel cheated because the costs are high. The unfortunate truth is that a lot of care relies on highly specialized (and thus very expensive) labor, advanced technology, etc. Healthcare is expensive no matter how you divide the costs and no matter how much waste you cut out. And people have little choice about using it. So they're going to be resentful even if they're getting a good deal.

There's no question that the ACA was a great deal for almost everyone in America and that single payer would be even better, but it's a much harder sell than I think people realize. And the fact that many on the left are trying to downplay the costs of single payer is going to make that sell even harder. The fact is, a lot of people (not a majority)--including middle-class people--will have to pay more in total costs (that is, taxes will rise more than insurance is cut) to make it work.

Sadly, most people are too greedy to accept in an increase their own healthcare spending to ensure people with expensive needs have an opportunity to flourish.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

anyone who makes more than you is the devil right?

If they vote to fvk me over of course. The days of kings and landed aristocracy is long gone my friend and its never coming back no matter how hard you and Greoric want to be one.

i just turned down a job for 150, at least until next summer

So? Are you expecting a blow job or something?

fight me

You would just get your arse beat friend

 

[Kframe]

lol. healthcare tourism from Austria, Sweden, Denmark etc? Bullshit.

But for the few travelling to the US there are usually 2 reasons. They can pay to skip a line or they can get treatment not approved in their own country (usually eksperimental)

You hit one of my biggest fears for UHC. Lines. Wait times. I have read and heard on the news during the 2010 lead up to Obama care about horrendous wait times for needed surgeries in UHC countries. Take my mom for instance. She is getting a knee replacement. From first doctor appointment to first cut into the flesh is less then a month. Yet in UHC countries it can be up to a year wait. Which for my mom would have been agonizing.

That is my one real fear.

Now the Experimental treatment aspect of this is also interesting. IF UHC does not allow experimental treatments, how then do new treatments get developed and sent to market? Every new medical advancement started as something experimental. Wouldn't medical science and advancement slow under a UHC system?

 

[Kframe]

Sadly, most people are too greedy to accept in an increase their own healthcare spending to ensure people with expensive needs have an opportunity to flourish.

To greedy to accept? Asshole, if I was too greedy to accept it, I would tell my Special needs son to fuck off and not pay for the insurance at all. Im pissed that it takes the lions share of my damn income. Fucking silver plan costs more per month then my motherfucking house payment.

 

[Kframe]

There's nothing fabricated, it's just basic logic. Your medical expenses are high so insurance is a good deal for you. You're not understanding your own situation there.

This, unfortunately, has interesting implications for healthcare reform (both current and future). People who are net beneficiaries of the system (that is, who pay in less than they get out) still feel cheated because the costs are high. The unfortunate truth is that a lot of care relies on highly specialized (and thus very expensive) labor, advanced technology, etc. Healthcare is expensive no matter how you divide the costs and no matter how much waste you cut out. And people have little choice about using it. So they're going to be resentful even if they're getting a good deal.

There's no question that the ACA was a great deal for almost everyone in America and that single payer would be even better, but it's a much harder sell than I think people realize. And the fact that many on the left are trying to downplay the costs of single payer is going to make that sell even harder. The fact is, a lot of people (not a majority)--including middle-class people--will have to pay more in total costs (that is, taxes will rise more than insurance is cut) to make it work.

So essentially I am just to bend over and take it.. Nothing new there. I have resigned myself to it, but that does not mean I have to be happy about it. You keep saying people like me got a good deal. it does not feel like a good deal here, when most MOST of my expendable income goes to insurance. That is not a good deal. Not now, not ever.

 

[Jack V Savage]

So essentially I am just to bend over and take it.. Nothing new there.

I'm saying that insurance is helping you a lot, but your costs are just really high. Sucks, I know. I think that more can be done on cost controls and there can be more redistribution, but the bottom-line issue in your specific case is that your needs are high.

I have resigned myself to it, but that does not mean I have to be happy about it. You keep saying people like me got a good deal. it does not feel like a good deal here, when most MOST of my expendable income goes to insurance. That is not a good deal. Not now, not ever.

Your income is going to healthcare. Insurance is paying for it. You're not a profitable customer for insurers. I would support more redistribution to benefit you, but you should be aware that that's what you're asking for.