Democrats Are Privately Calling Obama "Detached," "Flat Footed," "Incompetent"

I don't know.

Did the Republicans offer their own VA reforms and budgets? Yes. Such as in the House of Reps right now? Yes.

Will Harry Reid go with it? No.

Also, out of red herring land, did you answer my CNN editorial about the disingenuous White House story and claims of trying to really assist the VA?


Before we get too far off into VA debate: I will also remind that this threads primary point is that Obama has seeming lost his reputation as a competent leader, of which the VA scandal, is just the latest symptom of the Administrations sickness.

Well did the article I posted answer if they tried to help the VA with a bill that would build 27 new facilities, add job training, education programs etc? I would consider that help, how about you?

In order to pass the bill, the GOP needed Iran sanctions added in, wtf does that have to do with veterans?
 
Oh FFS stop with the horseshit on the VA, every asshole politician gets up and says hero this hero that, brave this brave that, when actually they don't care one bit about veterans. There are very few who actually care. So if Obama fires 6 people, is it all ok? This problem has been going on with veterans FOREVER, they have never been looked after properly, now that you have millions now in need of help, is it shocking they aren't being looked after properly. You have to add a whole bunch more money in facilities and people in order to take care of the problem. Do you think that will happen, or is just firing some people the solution? Thats all the GOP seems to want right now is some heads to roll, they know lots needs to be done. How can the administration start to add these things without congress?

As far as other Democrats (apparently) complaining about Obama, I wonder if they are up for re-election. This Congress is the WORST in USA history, don't try to blame everything on Obama, he is not a screamer or a mouth breather, and he should probably do more of it just to keep the children happy. Its all politics at its worst, the tea party has the GOP twisted and there seems to be no path forward. Term limits!

Its not like Obama is without blame, but please give me a break on the GOP party and Congress, its the worst in decades.

Yes, the problem has been going on with veterans forever, yes most politicians are cynical and most care less, however, falsifying waiting lists while many, many people died happened under President Obama's watch as Chief... Executive... of the United States, who has failed to act like an Executive in many, many cases.

These failures by President Obama have been reviled now by CNN, the L.A. Times, Politico, Reuters, and well you name it, because the Obama Administration did nothing to stop it, promised in the campaign it would improve the situation, and now is obfuscating the facts... and, the media is sticking it to the Administration this time.

I'll be back tomorrow more than likely.
 
Well did the article I posted answer if they tried to help the VA with a bill that would build 27 new facilities, add job training, education programs etc? I would consider that help, how about you?

In order to pass the bill, the GOP needed Iran sanctions added in, wtf does that have to do with veterans?

Did they try to help or do anything about the waiting lists the past six and a half years?

No.

Now it's the same political gamesmanship.

Yeah, yeah this Congress sucks, yeah yeah politicians are bad, but also yeah yeah Democrats, Republicans, and Americans by in large agree that President Obama is not the leader of "Hope" and "Change" that was promised but rather an empty suit bettered fit to lecture for hours than do anything to lead men.

With that, adios.
 
Who would have thought that pushing a black candidate to break the deadlock by inducing black people, who historically don't vote, to all vote for 1 party's candidate would lead to us ending up with a guy in office who isn't the best guy for the job?

Obama was basically an affirmative action hire.
 
Who would have thought that pushing a black candidate to break the deadlock by inducing black people, who historically don't vote, to all vote for 1 party's candidate would lead to us ending up with a guy in office who isn't the best guy for the job?

Obama was basically an affirmative action hire.

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Obama has nothing to do with the VA scandal IMO, but once again no one is going to get fired, much less go to jail.

The problems at hand have nothing to do with funding and have everything to do with greedy rank and file government leeches cooking boks for financial gainn (ie yearly performance bonuses)

Obamas not going to send anyone packing, hes clearly hoping it will blow over, Shin-seeki isnt going to fire anyone, hes busy running around making sure all the evidence gets destroyed. Department of Justice isnt going to do anything, at least not until they get the thumbs up from Shin-seeki.

Its all really disgusting, much worse than your typical government fraud/waste. People who were suffering died so people who surf porn all day could get a bonus.
 
Who would have thought that pushing a black candidate to break the deadlock by inducing black people, who historically don't vote, to all vote for 1 party's candidate would lead to us ending up with a guy in office who isn't the best guy for the job?

Obama was basically an affirmative action hire.

Correct, black people hardly ever vote and when they do they usually split down the middle between republicans and democrats.
 
Obama has nothing to do with the VA scandal IMO, but once again no one is going to get fired, much less go to jail.

The problems at hand have nothing to do with funding and have everything to do with greedy rank and file government leeches cooking boks for financial gainn (ie yearly performance bonuses)

Obamas not going to send anyone packing, hes clearly hoping it will blow over, Shin-seeki isnt going to fire anyone, hes busy running around making sure all the evidence gets destroyed. Department of Justice isnt going to do anything, at least not until they get the thumbs up from Shin-seeki.

Its all really disgusting, much worse than your typical government fraud/waste. People who were suffering died so people who surf porn all day could get a bonus.

So you're saying the buck stops no where in the Obama administration.
 
The White House accidentally blew the cover of the top CIA officer in Afghanistan Saturday, when his name and title were released in an e-mail sent to reporters who traveled with President Obama on his surprise visit to Bagram Air Field.

The CIA officer's identity was released as part of a list of U.S. officials who were attending a military briefing with Obama at Bagram, the Washington Post reported.

The individual was identified as "Chief of Station," a term used for the top spy in a country, according to the Post.



The White House recognized the error and issued a revised list that did not include the official's name.

The list was sent in an e-mail to reporters traveling with Obama to Afghanistan, and then further distributed in a "pool report" to reporters not taking part in the trip, including members of foreign press agencies. In all, more than 6,000 people were sent the initial pool report that included the CIA officer's identity.

The Post reported that Scott Wilson, the newspaper's White House bureau chief, filed the pool report. Wilson copied the list contained in the e-mail sent from White House press officials.

"Wilson said that after the report was distributed, he noticed the unusual reference to the station chief and asked White House press officials in Afghanistan whether they had intended to include that name," the Post reported. "Initially, the press office raised no objection, apparently because military officials had provided the list to distribute to news organizations. But senior White House officials realized the mistake and scrambled to issue an updated list without the CIA officer's name."

The CIA and the White House have not officially commented on the incident and it remains unclear how the exposure will affect the CIA officer's ability to continue in his in role in Afghanistan.

http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/world/2014/05/26/white-house-exposes-cia-chief/9586633/
 
Actually it was just a few questions that I asked, that you didn't answer. I will ask a few more, maybe you can answer them, because it seems confusing. Would 27 new facilities for the VA help the problem, and is this article accurate?


(Reuters) - U.S. Senate Republicans blocked legislation on Thursday that would have expanded federal healthcare and education programs for veterans, saying the $24 billion bill would bust the budget.

Even though the legislation cleared a procedural vote on Tuesday by a 99-0 vote, the measure quickly got bogged down in partisan fighting.

Supporters said the measure would have brought the most significant changes in decades to U.S. veterans' programs. For example, it called for 27 new medical facilities to help a healthcare system that is strained by veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

With Democrats pressing for passage this week, Senate Republicans, backed by their leader, Mitch McConnell, attempted to attach controversial legislation calling for possible new sanctions on Iran that President Barack Obama opposes.

"The issue of Iran sanctions ... has nothing to do with the needs of veterans," complained Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee Chairman Bernard Sanders of Vermont, the main sponsor of the bill.

Republicans also raised budget concerns, forcing another key procedural vote that ended up killing the bill. By a vote of 56-41, the Senate failed to waive budget rules that would have allowed the bill to proceed. Sixty votes were needed and 41 of the chamber's 45 Republicans voted against the waiver.

Referring to recent budget deals that aim to bring down federal deficits, Republican Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama said: "This bill would spend more than we agreed to spend. The ink is hardly dry and here we have another bill to raise that spending again."

The legislation had the backing of most veterans' organizations, but was doomed by deep disagreements between Democrats and Republicans that have made this Congress one of the least productive in decades.

Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, had hoped senators would, "rise above the day-to-day rancor and the party politics that we see on this floor almost every single day," and support a law affecting 22 million veterans, including more than 2 million who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

With Thursday's vote, Congress sent another disjointed message to the nation's veterans.

In December, Congress passed a two-year budget deal that included a reduction in veterans' pension benefits. Weeks later, Congress did an about-face and repealed many of the cuts.

And early this week, with the initial 99-0 procedural vote on Sanders' bill, the Senate appeared to be delivering a strong show of support for veterans, only to see the legislation die in the Senate with Thursday's vote.

So we need more wasteful, inefficient, corrupt, and unaccountable government to solve the problems inherent with wasteful, inefficient, corrupt, and unaccountable government? When will the Democrat party ever learn?
 
doesn't sound like building new facilities is the issue, they can't see doctors at the existing facilities
 
I really think that with Obama it was all about being a rock star, getting the title, the achievement, and then riding off into the sunset to enjoy early retirement as a multi-millionaire. I don't think the guy has a bone of true conviction in his entire body. He's a detestable human being who has done real damage to the "progressive" brand.

I think you are taking it way too far to claim he is a detestable human being

I think he simply was naive and lacked the experience. And IMO wasted way too much time getting healthcare through at the expense of any real attention elsewhere and then on top of it, released it despite internal testing showing that it doesn't work.

You are kidding yourself though if you think most presidents don't want that one piece of "signature" legislation or action where history looks back and says "this is really where he made his mark". But I agree he got TOO caught up in his own goals. If he wanted more money there are way easier ways to do it then president. And being the last industrialized nation in the world without healthcare, I still say history will be kind to us finally having it. But my biggest problems with the Democrats in general is they are incompetent. For one reason or another they find a way to fumble the ball. The Republicans I think only care about protecting the status quo that favors big business and the rich. Simplified generalizations and it doesn't include everybody but that's generally how i feel. But that Obama is secretly just some money grubbing attention seeker that never cared and is a despicable person I think is just partisan exaggeration to the point of being silly. No offense. Just what it looks like to me.
 
Amen.

Anyone remember his goal of "Creating a nuclear free world"? Instead, he restarts the cold-war.

Epic, epic, epic fail.

I don't think I get this, how did he restart the cold war? I don't know that you can blame Obama for Putin invading Ukraine anymore than you could blame Bush for what happened in Georgia.

The VA story is a shame, I am pretty shocked that he hasn't fired anyone yet.
 
doesn't sound like building new facilities is the issue, they can't see doctors at the existing facilities

Exactly. VA funding has almost tripled since the year 2000.

Source: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS22897.pdf


At the same time, the number of veterans has declined, largely as a result of the WW2 and Korean War veterans dying. In 2000, there were 26.4 million veterans:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/veterans/files/c2kbr-22.pdf

And today, there are 21.2 million:

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/cb13-ff27.html

This is an issue of management and structural inefficiency, not funding.
 
Correct, black people hardly ever vote and when they do they usually split down the middle between republicans and democrats.

No. They don't vote. Period.

In that last two elections they did.

It was a smart move if the end goal was just to win the election, but not if the end goal was to get a guy in the white house who would be able to, you know, do stuff.
 
I remember being in a feminist class the day Obama was first elected back in 2008 and people were crying, hugging, clapping, and shouting out the words "hope" and "change." It was a nauseating spectacle. What is even more bizarre is that this was happening in Canada.

Sounds like a perfect chance to get laid - that you blew. (And having grown up just over the border I know how fine the Canadian Ladyprime can be.)
 
No. They don't vote. Period.

In that last two elections they did.

It was a smart move if the end goal was just to win the election, but not if the end goal was to get a guy in the white house who would be able to, you know, do stuff.

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Facts, how do they work again?
 
Sounds like a perfect chance to get laid - that you blew. (And having grown up just over the border I know how fine the Canadian Ladyprime can be.)

Getting laid by strange women wouldn't have gone over too well with my wife.

I"m sure if I would have started crying, shouted "hope" and "change" and declared that I was ashamed to be a white male, the feminists would have been flocking.


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