Deconstructing MMA Myths... [Part 6] - All Fights Start from Standin´ Position...

[gono btw]

Today :[Brazilian Vale Tudo Scene]

MYTH?: All fights start from Standin´ Position.

That´s a...myth! [almost...]

@ World Vale Tudo Championship 10, Antonio Conceicao lost via DQ, that´s right, but not after 8mn45, was after...19 mns and 20 sec!

Spoiler: Tale of The Tape

Spoiler: Full Fight

A BJJ fighter (even used the GI), he actually started the fight in the butt scoot position since the very beginning, and...till the end!

Indeed, some inaccuracies in fighters´bio...

Sergei Bytchkov
WIN vs
Antonio Conceicao
DQ (Butt Scooting)
N/A 1 8:45


http://www.sherdog.com/events/WVC-10-World-Vale-Tudo-Championship-10-384 :

https://www.tapology.com/fightcente...orld-vale-tudo-championship-10-demolition-day

https://www.mma-core.com/events/WVC_10/16548


Any other inaccuracies that you might remember?

Spoiler: 'DECONS' Threads

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-part-9-bjj-during-the-vale-tudo-era.3826197/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-13-1-khabib´s-eastern-european-career.3830345/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-13-2-khabib´s-eastern-european-career-the-magomedov-fight.3968083/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-14-mousasi-flukes.3836617/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-1-2.3844333/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-2-2.3844507/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-16-siamese-brothers-the-2-hw-goats.3851935/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-23-cross-training-in-mma´s-dark-ages.3874607/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-groovy-paradox.3893619/page-3#post-148236621
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...de-ow-gp-mezger-those-infamous-6-lbs.3899881/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-28-deaf-ears.3907767/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-29-bj-penn-the-frontrunner.3925599/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-30-mma´s-buster-douglas.3935185/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-fights-start-from-standing-position.3808087/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-5-the-true-evolution-of-mma.3807975/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...tion-of-submission-defence-grappling.3803333/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-3-the-evolution-of-werdum´s-striking.3831261/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-2-hunto´s-atomicbutt-drop.3735841/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-1-hoyce-his-gi-ufc-1.3734725/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...skill-set-mma-evolution-the-hws-case.3815393/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...hs-part-8-mma-cans-the-unsung-heroes.3822123/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-10-b4-after-usada.3826221/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-11-fighters´evolution.3827221/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...t-mma-evolution-the-lhw-golden-era-s.3828473/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-17-askren´s-undefeated-record.3855315/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-18-the-genesis-of-ufc-1´s-roster.3855847/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-evolution-the-mw-transitional-era-s.3858851/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-20-judges-mma-ideology.3862173/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ma-evolution-the-disorganized-ww-div.3873877/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...part-22-the-avenged-losses-narrative.3874257/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-ufc-5-requiem-for-the-vale-tudo-era.3947367/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-32-where´s-dat-suplex-monster.3954795/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-33-the-undisputed-goat.3961171/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-34-horion´s-choice-ufc-1.3984975/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-35-the-samurai-the-missin´-link-in-bjj-evolution.3994271/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...art-36-the-best-base-special-edition.4013527/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-37-controversial-decisions-scorin´systems.4020275/

 

[gono btw]

2nd 'inaccuracy':

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Bozigit-Ataev-2263

WIN Aaron Brink Rings - 10th Anniversary Aug / 11 / 2001 KO (Spinning Back Kick) 1 1:09

But...Was a counter punch, not a Spinning Back Kick.

@ 2mn10:

 

[AimedWithV]

@gono btw what about Tapology?
Same results?

 

[gono btw]

@gono btw what about Tapology?
Same results?

Tapology only says it was a KO/TKO..

Tapology & Sherdog probably didnt watch both fights, the Ataev one in Rings and the Bytchkov one in WVC...

 

[gono btw]

3rd 'inaccuracy':

@ IAFC - Russian Open Cup 3 [August 29, 1997 - Moscow, Russia]:

Ivan Chestowukov vs Igor Guerus

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Igor-Gerus-2772

WIN Artyom Vilgulevsky IAFC - Absolute Fighting Russian Open Cup 3
Aug / 29 / 1997 TKO (Doctor Stoppage)

But...That day, he fought against Ivan Chestowukov :

 

[gono btw]

4th 'inaccuracy':

Marcos Vieira vs Ailton dos Santos

Was @ BVF 6 - Campeonato Brasileiro de Vale Tudo 1 [Nov / 01 / 1996]

https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Marcos-Vieira-2524

Submission (Strikes)

But Marcos Vieira actually threw the towel, probably due to an injury, or exhaustion perhaps...

@ 2m30:

 

[gono btw]

5th 'inaccuracy':

Willie Peeters vs Sergei Sousserov

Was @ Rings Holland - The Final Challenge [Feb / 02 / 1997]

https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Willie-Peeters-319

> KO (Palm Strikes)... but the last shot b4 the stoppage was a knee...

@ 5mn50:

 

[gono btw]

6th 'inaccuracy':



Johnny Eduardo vs Fabio Alves

Was @ IVC 7.

https://www.sherdog.com/events/IVC-7-The-New-Champions-277

> Submission (Punches)... but...was actually: Retirement [injury]



@ 4mn 55:

 

[europe1]

Not sure about how you inform the websites...

We could here 'report' those inaccuracies...

Regarding the innacuracies in Fight Finder, @jei should be able to help you set them right. He has access to the database.

 

[JayPettryMMA]

Thank you europe1. If anyone spots inaccuracies with Sherdog's Fight Finder, please let me know either in a post or by PM, with video/other corroborating evidence showing the more accurate information, and we'll check it out.

 

[gono btw]

7th 'inaccuracy':

José Aldo vs Thiago Minu:

https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jose-Aldo-11506

> Decision (Majority)...but was actually an UD (3-0)

@ 6mn22:

 

[gono btw]

8th 'inaccuracy':

Cleison Fofao vs Marcelo Gonçalves

Was @ IVC 12.

https://www.sherdog.com/events/IVC-12-The-New-Generation-of-Middleweights-283

> TKO (Strikes)... but...was actually: Retirement [injury>knee]











@ 10mn10:

 

[gono btw]

9th 'inaccuracy':

Lucas Silva de Jesus vs Marcelo de Oliveira :

Was @ IVC 11

https://www.sherdog.com/events/IVC-11-The-Tournament-is-Back-281




> Submission (No Apparent Reason)... but...was actually: Retirement [injury > broken tooth]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-teeth-kept-flyin´-ivc-31.3907739/

This retirement was only explained later, in the VHS, when Promotor/Ref and...Commentator Segio Batarelli would give his explanation (that´s probably why no MMA sites understood the real reason behind these retirements...).

 

[gono btw]

10th 'inaccuracy':

> Nilson de Castro vs Alexandre Barros :

Was @ IVC 11

https://www.sherdog.com/events/IVC-11-The-Tournament-is-Back-281





> TKO (Cut)... but...was actually: Retirement [injury > broken tooth]

[URL='https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-teeth-kept-flyin%C2%B4-ivc-31.3907739/']https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-teeth-kept-flyin´-ivc-31.3907739/

This retirement was only explained later, in the VHS, when Promotor/Ref and...Commentator Segio Batarelli would give his explanation (that´s probably why no MMA sites understood the real reason behind these retirements...).[/URL]

 

[gono btw]

11th 'inaccuracy':

> Gilberto dos Santos vs Edson Bispo :

Was @ IVC 11

https://www.sherdog.com/events/IVC-11-The-Tournament-is-Back-281



This retirement was the easiest to understand when it happened (check Santos´reaction):



> Submission (Strikes)... but...was actually: Retirement [injury > broken tooth]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-teeth-kept-flyin´-ivc-31.3907739/

This retirement was only explained later, in the VHS, when Promotor/Ref and...Commentator Segio Batarelli would give his explanation (that´s probably why no MMA sites understood the real reason behind these retirements...).

 

[gono btw]

12th 'inaccuracy':

> Wallid Ismail [GJJ] vs Eugenio Tadeu [MT/Luta Livre]

Was @ BJJ vs Luta Livre Challenge 2...[30/11/1984]

https://www.sherdog.com/events/Desafio-JiuJitsu-vs-Luta-Livre-460




> TKO (Injury)... but...was actually: Retirement [Failed to climb back in the ring in time]


https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...enio-tadeu-climb-back-in-the-ring-34.3933271/

 

[gono btw]

13th 'inaccuracy':

> Okami vs Shields

Was @ ROTR 9 Rumble on the Rock 9...[APR 21, 2006]

https://www.sherdog.com/events/ROTR-9-Rumble-on-the-Rock-9-3760

> Decision (Majority)... but... was actually a UD.

 

[gono btw]

14th 'inaccuracy':

> Amar Suloev vs Moise Rimbon:

Was @ 2H2H 3 HOTTER THAN HOT...[OCT 7, 2001]

https://www.sherdog.com/events/2H2H-3-Hotter-Than-Hot-441

> TKO (Doctor Stoppage)... but... was actually : Retirement [Injury>toe].

@ 5mn20:

 

[gono btw]

Inaccuracy... ?

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-hoyce-became-world-lhw-champ-42.3972653/

 

[gono btw]

15th 'inaccuracy':

> Manabu Yamada vs Tomonori Ohara:

Was @ Shooto [Jul 7, 1990]

https://www.sherdog.com/events/Shooto-Shooto-1905

> Ending: Time: 0:00 ...was @ 1mn50

@ 12mn50: